‘generational theft’
February 13, 2009
UPDATED at the end of the post.
‘generational theft’ is what senator john mccain calls this spending bill preparing to go for final vote. it is the largest transfer of private wealth to public officials in our history of our dear republic.
the stimulus porkulus package, which is 1,073 pages long, was finally released last night at 11 pm. it is written in technical legislative language which is not easy reading even for legislators. reportedly this last release even has handwritten notes! not one senator has had a chance to read it. and apparently, with this rush to pass, the ‘most ethical and transparent administration ever’ would do anything to manage the public’s knowledge as to what we actually know about this boondoggle and to silence dissent.
obama and his minions would have you believe their ’stimulus’ package is a meager $789 billion. their number is pure fantasy — just like The One himself. according to this report, 3.27 trillion is the latest true cost of this bill. and it is widely believed by economists that it won’t stimulate the economy. how can it? it was specifically designed as a party bill for dems and their friends’ pet projects!
voting is scheduled for today, friday the 13th. and for arlen spector, susan collins, and olympia snowe this is ‘last chance friday’ as rush would say, for them to get this vote on the spending bill right.
obama promised a transformation of the united states. with the passing of this bill he is certainly getting it.
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Update: the porkulus bill has passed through the House along party lines. the actual vote was 246-183, with all 176 republicans, and 7 dems, voting no. there was even a ‘present’ vote from a weak democrat apparently. it’s expected to go to the senate later today.
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Update: well it appears that basically it’s finished. the senate vote is being held open longer for sherrod brown, who is back home in ohio for his mom’s funeral. it will be hours before a final vote count is available but we do know that the rinos susan collins, arlen specter, and olympia snowe have all voted yes. assuming all dems vote yes — and you know they will — it’s over.
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Update: the bill passed 60-38 at 10:46 p.m. est. The One will sign it into law on monday.
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February 13th, 2009 at 11:39 am
3.27 trillion is only an estimate based on todays markets and costs also.
What needs to be added to that is the cost of Geithners plan at total cost of $1.5 trillion.
The one thing that will be the nail in the coffin of our financial system will be if the white house takes control of the census.
This is the one thing that could very well be slipped under the peoples noses that will do the most damage because ignorance dictates most think its just a means of counting heads.
It determines where every cent goes in our country and for what reason, electoral points,grade of community, what kind of and how much representation a city, state or community gets.
Fudging the numbers can allow funds and resourcers to be diverted to wherever ones ideology dictates to change things on the scale of a rigged election.
Federalize the banks and finacial institutions.
Create a people dependent on the fed.
Control the numbers via the census
Institute massive leftist programs via the stimulus.
Not good.
February 13th, 2009 at 11:50 am
When President Obama warned all of us that we may go from crisis to catastrophe, you slimey Repubics cried foul. What do you people want? A level of misery so low that we will forget Shrub and Darth Vader’s well-demonstrated incompetence?
It is you Repubics that continue to slap away any hand offering bipartisanship. You squeel like tantruming children in faux outrage over any plan with even a glimmer of possible success, and your not-so-bright ideas is to keep furiously drilling holes in the nation’s already leaky lifeboats.
If President Obama were to locate the goose that laid the golden egg, you Repubics would just stock up on shotgun shells. Only when your children are wailing and your dreams are in ruins will the GOP offer to come to the table to find an answer. (Hint: it’ll be tax cuts for the rich.)
For all of our sakes, lets hope the stimulus bill passes today swiftly and without any more hysterics from the right.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Oh the outrage and hypocrisy…it would be laughable if the state of our country wasn’t so dire now.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Jane, if could make a relevant point you might look like what you said mattered at all.
Let me ask you something Pat, and I want an answer.
If we are headed for such certain catastrophe any day now, as Obama keeps saying. Then why is it that these programs, the ones that are worth a damn, don’t take root sooner ?
Why do you ask a question where the answer is only obvious to any one who can read ?
What we want is what we have been saying all along is that we want less taxation and more incentives for the market along with less government interventionism.
Got it ?
“It is you Repubics that continue to slap away any hand offering bipartisanship”
You’re an idiot dreamer if you think there has been any bi partisan offerings.
Are that freaking naive and stupid to think that accepting crap being shoved down our throat is what amounts to bi partisanship ?
Our “not so bright ideas” are the ideas that prevented anymore of our original settlers from starving to death.
It called for government to get the f*ck out of the way and let people dictate what they do with their own money and property.
Its miserable children needing guidance like yourself who would allow a government to come in and hold your hand giving you little babies whatever you want at the cost of those who actually produce a product and a profit.
And its most certainly a despicable human being who would allow a bill to be passed that will saddle his children and their children with the responsibility of paying this bill back which grows and grow each day and is forecast to triple in the near future.
You are clearly a class of people that this country could do well without
The rest of your post is just more “FAUX” examples of a somewhat informed ideological and intellectual shrimp.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
“I was standing on the Washington Mall on Inauguration Day, alongside nearly two million other people on Inauguration Day, and proudly watched the first African American take the oath of office in our nation’s history. That alone made the day deeply memorable, joyful, and historic. But I couldn’t help but think – and I’m sure that millions of others had the same thought – that the transfer of power from Bush to President Obama not only tore down a barrier that once was thought near impenetrable, but also signified the fading away of one era and the beginning of another.
It was hard not to think on that cold day in our nation’s capital that the worst of the past 30 years of right wing extremist rule is behind us and that an era of progressive change is within reach, no longer an idle dream.
Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House. Larger Democratic majorities control Congress. A feeling of renewal and hope is in the air. Public opinion polls show a high favorability rating for our new President. And the labor and people’s movement that was so instrumental to the election’s outcome, after a short holiday pause, is off and running.”
Sam Webb
Chairman Communist Party USA
1/31/2009
February 13th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Micky
My opinion is just as valid as yours. Unless of course you are trying to say that this site is just for your f*n rightwingers?
GOP = Greedy Obstructionist Pricks. We will have the last laugh.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“When President Obama warned all of us that we may go from crisis to catastrophe, you slimey Repubics cried foul.”
And when George Bush warned of terrorist attacked, you neo-socialists cried “fear mongering!” yet when Obama does it, you don’t bat an eye. Isn’t the hypocrisy incredible?!
“What do you people want? A level of misery so low that we will forget Shrub and Darth Vader’s well-demonstrated incompetence?”
Childish name calling aside, we would like a REAL plan, not a plan that pays back every neo-socialist special interest group. This stimulus does not help the economy, and I have yet to hear one of the Obamazombies tell me how it will help. No surprise there.
“It is you Repubics that continue to slap away any hand offering bipartisanship.”
If by bipartisanship you mean, “Do whatever the neo-socialists want.” then no we don’t want bipartisanship. It as Reid and Pelosi who shut down any debate on the subject. Does that sink in with you? They denied any DEBATE.
“You squeel like tantruming children in faux outrage over any plan with even a glimmer of possible success”
Hey!! You mean like the dems did with Iraq?!
“Only when your children are wailing and your dreams are in ruins will the GOP offer to come to the table to find an answer.”
Oh Pat, you’re so smart!! You’ve figured it all out! We really do hate the poor! All those studies that show conservatives donate to charities more than liberals were all made up! Perhaps you should worry more about dems who pay their taxes, that seems to be a pattern with the left.
“For all of our sakes, lets hope the stimulus bill passes today swiftly and without any more hysterics from the right.”
Oh, yes Pat, let’s hope. Let’s hope that this stimulus bill is passed so that your great grandchildren will be stuck paying it off. A liberal wish list that does nothing for the economy. Gosh, you guys are brilliant!!!!
February 13th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
“GOP = Greedy Obstructionist Pricks. We will have the last laugh.”
Only if you laugh at America turning into a socialist state that breeds generation after generation of government dependence, but judging by your posts, that seems to be what you want.
Laugh away!
February 13th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
The GOP has failed because it lacks any message. Your entire ideology has been run over by the freight train of your failures at every level:
1. Small government. Katrina and economic collapse were the bookends that put an end to that as GOP rolled out a trillion dollar nationalization of financial industry.
2. Balanced budget. Republicans never balanced the budget. Only Democrat Clinton did that. GOP ran up huge deficits and debt.
3. Tax cuts = good economy. Tax cuts for the rich helped create the economic meltdown by feeding the stock and real estate bubbles.
4. No regulation. Lack of regulation is what caused the current financial crisis with unregulated mortgages and valueless mortgage based “securities” creating a financial house of cards. Meanwhile, poisoned foods kill children and old people.
5. Religion in government. The GOP town of Dover dumping the creationists was the post child for people wanting science in schools and government policy not religious ideology.
6. Racism - Nixon’s Southern Strategy worked for 30 years but fell hard to Obama and the changing demographics of the US as we become a majority brown skinned nation.
Move over losers. With this great victory, it’s the age of Obama now.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
So our Congress - love em or hate em - are supposed to vote on a document that was just released today. At 1,073 pages with roughtly 350 words per page, someone will have to read at 600 wpm round the clock to get thru it by Monday.
Which they don’t have time to do; so how are they going to vote on something they haven’t read? Given that the Democrats didn’t bother to release it in time. Given that the Democrats flatly refused to allow any Republicans to have any input at all.
How can anyone agree that this porkulus party will do anything for this country except bankrupt the future of at least 2 more generations.
Obama told employees at the Caterpillar plant in the midwest that this stimulus package would allow Cat to rehire some of the nearly 2,000 people they laid off last year.
Big sky promises. As full of hot air as the sky itself.
The CEO of Caterpillar went public today saying that in fact, the package won’t allow them to do that, as it will take too long for anything in that sham of legislation to actually reach the markets.
Which is precisely the problem with this porkulus party. Republicans do want to see the economy recover - and pushing thru what is essentially an appropriations bill isn’t the way to do it.
Economists on both sides of the aisle today are saying this package will be a death knell to our economy.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
kate said: jared your comment was deleted for extreme profanity and really juvenile namecalling, but then you knew it would be right? feel free to try it again but follow the blog rules please.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
“The GOP has failed because it lacks any message.”
No, Kevin, the GOP lost because it started acting too much like the democrats. They spent like democrats, although nowhere near as much as the democrats are getting ready to spend, and they failed to come up with a strategy for immigration. That plus the fact that almost every news media station, paper, and magazine was blasting Bush at every turn.
“Small government. Katrina and economic collapse were the bookends that put an end to that as GOP rolled out a trillion dollar nationalization of financial industry.”
Wrong again, Kevin. Katrina was just as much the fault of the DEMOCRAT Mayor and the DEMOCRAT governor. Interestingly enough, the victims of the ice storm recently complained of slow FEMA response while they froze to death, yet I don’t recall a peep out of our media that screamed bloody murder about Katrina. To wit:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/winter_storm_outages
“At least 42 people have died, Emergency Management Director Randell Smith said FEMA has been a no-show so far.”
Where was the outrage? Where were the pictures plastered all over the nightly news of people dying while FEMA was ” a no-show”. That must be that liberal compassion I keep hearing about. Obama never even went to the state. Disgusting.
“Only Democrat Clinton did that. GOP ran up huge deficits and debt.”
Indeed, Clinton didn’t have two wars to contend with. He certainly helped by ignoring the warning signs of Osama Bin Laden, but figured there wasn’t much reason to worry. I guess he had better things to do with fat interns rather than defend the nation. Quite a legacy, Bill!!!
“Tax cuts for the rich helped create the economic meltdown by feeding the stock and real estate bubbles.”
Absolute garbage, Kevin. Tax cuts for the rich don’t cause recessions. Please read a book, for God’s sake.
“Lack of regulation is what caused the current financial crisis with unregulated mortgages and valueless mortgage based “securities” creating a financial house of cards.”
SIGH, wrong again Kevin:
http://online.barrons.com/article_email/SB123396551669058895-lMyQjAxMDI5MzAzNzkwNjc1Wj.html
“CONTRARY TO A VIEW POPULARIZED DURING THE 2008 presidential election season, the current economic crisis was not the result of deregulation.”
You can read the rest, if you can handle reading the truth. Somehow I doubt it.
“Religion in government.”
I see, so you’re against Obama’s faith based programs, just like Bush had, correct Kevin?
“Racism”
You mean like this prominent left wing blogger referring to Steele as a “Sambo”:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/10/simple-sambo-wants-to-move-to-big.html
Need another?
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Simple%20Sambo%20and%20Ignorant%20Mammy&
The democrats are doing quite well at racism, Kevin, and they always have been. Don’t miss this paragraph:
“Republicans pushed to pass civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s, while the Democrats fought against every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s.”
That includes JFK who vote AGAINST the 1957 civil rights bill while a Senator. I guess when it became popular he voted for it, huh Kevin?
Glad I could educate you some more. Let me know if there is anything else you need.
Keep trying.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
“jared your comment was deleted for extreme profanity and really juvenile namecalling”
Gosh, that’s shocking. I don’t think any of the neo-socialists here could communicate if they couldn’t use extreme profanity or juvenile name calling. LOL!!!
February 13th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
If someone doesn’t want small gov’t, lower taxes for everyone, and limited gov’t regulations, then they could care less about the Constitution or America the way the Founding Fathers intended. Apparently, libs like Karl Marx and the USSR, because that’s where this bill and others like it will eventually lead. Why the left needs Big Brother to hold their hand from cradle to grave I’ll never understand, but it’s obvious they do and has been obvious for a while. If equal misery among all citizens is the “change” you wanted, then BHO was your candidate.
BTW, this …
“it’ll be tax cuts for the rich”
… is possibly the most stupid statement ever uttered. How many of you libs actually believe when the top marginal rate was 90% that the rich actually paid that amount? You really believe the Kennedy’s, the Rockerfeller’s, etc… paid 90%? You must believe it, there’s no other explanation.
Hate to break it to you, dimwit libs (pardon the redundancy), but there’s not enough rich people and corporations to bleed money from to do all these stupid social programs you want.
Modern-day liberalism ever becomes the mainstream in the USA, and it won’t really be USA anymore. Oh, it’ll still have the same name, but it won’t anything like it was intended. This country was established for the purpose of not having a large gov’t to oversee its citizens daily lives. BHO and the Dems/libs are wanting the exact opposite. Modern-day liberalism and freedom don’t mix.
February 13th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Hey Kev
2. Balanced budget. Republicans never balanced the budget. Only Democrat Clinton did that. GOP ran up huge deficits and debt.
Hate to remind you, it was a Republican Congress that kept Clinton at bay who balanced the budget. And about your Nixon southern racism crack, I live in the south, how did you ever figure out we are all racists down here? You’re so smart!
February 13th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
>>My opinion is just as valid as yours. Unless of course you are trying to say that this site is just for your f*n rightwingers?
I have no doubt if you and your ilk could have your way, dissenting voices would be hunted down and summarily executed. History clearly shows that’s exactly what libs do.
February 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Jane;
“My opinion is just as valid as yours. Unless of course you are trying to say that this site is just for your f*n rightwingers?
Your opinion is based on nothing but ideological bigotry that serves no purpose but you to spew idiocy.
Please, learn to read and stop ,making sh*t up like in your original post.
I never said you’re opinion wasnt relevant now, did I ?
Any f*ckin idiot can pop their insignificant little head up and go bla bla bla right wingers bla bla bla obstructionist bla bla without anything to back it up.
I hope you feel better, now sit down, shut up, and let the adults who actually have valid reputable sources and info to back up their assertions carry on.
Nice cut an paste Kevin.
Further proof that you will never be able to debate on an intellectual level demanding free thought.
“1. Small government. Katrina and economic collapse were the bookends that put an end to that as GOP rolled out a trillion dollar nationalization of financial industry.”
How far up their ass did this person have to reach to pull this out as its evident to smallest simpleton that Katrina was a result of improper protocol by the states first responders headed by a democratic administration(Blanco and Nagin) and the finacial collapse a result of Democratic intimidation of loaning institutions, the CRA, Freddie and Fanny.
“2. Balanced budget. Republicans never balanced the budget. Only Democrat Clinton did that. GOP ran up huge deficits and debt.”
Not only will the document from the Cato institute prove this idiocy wrong I’ll first mention that the only reason Clinton had any surplus at all is because the gutless wonder let everything go to sh*t while our enemies planed 911 against us and Saddam had free reight to disregard all of the UN mandates and resolutions.
Any freaking idiot can have a surplus when not tending to business.
One cut and paste deserves another.
“And 1993 — the year of the giant Clinton tax hike — was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president’s own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook?
Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich’s finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.
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We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.
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Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.
Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan — a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as “pure demagoguery.” It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP’s balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that “balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities.”
“3. Tax cuts = good economy. Tax cuts for the rich helped create the economic meltdown by feeding the stock and real estate bubbles.”
And this fool knows this how ?
The housing bubble was a direct result of the CRA being originated by Carter and empowered later by Clinton, customized bt Frank, Dodd, Pelosi and Reid resulting in the banks ending up with billions in mortgages that faulty applicants could not afford to pay.
McCain and the Bush administration tried to warn the dem majority congress of the impending doom 2 years ago.
“4. No regulation. Lack of regulation is what caused the current financial crisis with unregulated mortgages and valueless mortgage based “securities” creating a financial house of cards. Meanwhile, poisoned foods kill children and old people.”
Once again, refer to the democratic congressional regulations imposed above by the CRA and the pressures it imposed on banks.
Whoever you copied this from Kevin is a complete imbecile with no clue as to what our countries financial history is and is just rambling off typical left wing propoganda with no example of documentation to back it up.
Example;
Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone… Dems Ignored Warnings
For many years the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.
Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.
The White House released this list of attempts by President Bush to reform Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac since he took office in 2001.
Unfortunately, Congress did not act on the president’s warnings:
** 2001
April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”
** 2002
May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)
** 2003
January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.
February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (”Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)
September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.
September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.
November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any “legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk.” To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have “broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards” and “receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)
** 2004
February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market's] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)
June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying “We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.” (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)
** 2005
April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)
** 2007
July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.
August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)
September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.
September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.
December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying “These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I’ve called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon.” (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)
Continued at link… http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/bush-called-for-reform-of-fannie-mae.html
So please, I hope this will be the last time I hear this crap out of you that the republicans did nothing in regards to the crisis at hand.
“5. Religion in government. The GOP town of Dover dumping the creationists was the post child for people wanting science in schools and government policy not religious ideology.”
Our country was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs, priciples, values and morals.
“6. Racism - Nixon’s Southern Strategy worked for 30 years but fell hard to Obama and the changing demographics of the US as we become a majority brown skinned nation.”
Hmm.. the more I hear this crap coming from the party that says race should not be an issue, the funnier it gets.
Nice try Kevin, try thinking for yourself instead of being a red headed step child who likes to get smacked around because thats the only attention he can get or copying others work as if it were your own.
February 13th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Another question I would like to see any one of these geniuses amswer would be that if there was so much bi partisanship invested in this bill why did not even “ONE” republican vote for it ?
Getting this turd passed as quickly as possible was the only thing being supported as it is 1170 pages long which gave no one any time whatsoever to read it.
Not to mention , finding exactly whos name was attached to what propositon or project is nearly impossible.
February 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Geez
Instead of conversing Micky you go psycho and try to over power anyone that has a different opinion. At least Ken the cop attempts to keep the length of his posts at a readable level!
So did you fools here about what Senator Specter (R) said about this bill that is all but passed? This:
“When I came back to the cloak room after coming to the agreement a week ago today,” said Specter, “one of my colleagues said, ‘Arlen, I’m proud of you.’ My Republican colleague said, ‘Arlen, I’m proud of you.’ I said, ‘Are you going to vote with me?’ And he said, ‘No, I might have a primary.’ And I said, ‘Well, you know very well I’m going to have a primary.’”
You people in here like to beat everyone up and call Democrats names but actually it appears as if you are the cowards and the weak. Remember YOU elect these people. And none on your side seem to have any balls whatsoever.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/specter-republicans-suppo_n_166875.html
February 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
jane you said:
‘My opinion is just as valid as yours. Unless of course you are trying to say that this site is just for your f*n rightwingers?’
actually let me say there is so much WRONG with what you said. first i don’t think everyone who posts on my blog has a valid opinion — an opinion yes, but not always valid. secondly, since you have been coming here off and on, spewing a special kind of vitriol, since the first day the blog started you KNOW it isn’t just for so-called right wingers. so quit whining jane… it annoys me.
Pat you said:
‘A level of misery so low that we will forget Shrub and Darth Vader’s well-demonstrated incompetence?’
i see from your isp that you are from an area hit by terrorists of 9/11 and are also high on the threat level lists of city targets. thankfully, i see you are still with us today — almost 8 years after 9/11 — i suppose President Bush and Vice President Cheney had NOTHING to do with that?
you also said:
‘If President Obama were to locate the goose that laid the golden egg, you Repubics would just stock up on shotgun shells.’
actually i have always been someone afraid of guns, never wanted them in my home once i became an adult — though i have always supported the 2nd amendment for others. but now, with the assention of The One, i own my first gun and lots and lots of ammo and we try to go to the shooting range often. just because i still can in this country. awesome don’t you think?
and finally Pat you also said:
‘For all of our sakes, lets hope the stimulus bill passes today swiftly and without any more hysterics from the right.’
oh silly goose! this isn’t hysterics! you have not even begun to see hysterics. we will give back to you and your friends the same treatment and level of kindness that you showed all of us. get ready-you’re in for a bumpy ride. (love me some bette davis!)
February 14th, 2009 at 7:59 am
“Instead of conversing Micky you go psycho and try to over power anyone that has a different opinion.”
Is that what you call it Kevin when someone disassembles your argument point by point?
“You people in here like to beat everyone up and call Democrats names”
Kevin, the military hating, cop hating, Anti-Semite, nobody has called anyone more names than you. Your childish outbursts are well known on this site. Grow up.
I see you finally provided a link!!! To the Huffington Post?!?! Next time try a real news source, not a rabidly neo-socialist, ignorant, hate filled, site. Then again, you probably spend a lot of time there.
I feel sorry for you, Kevin, I really do.
Hey, here’s another link for you. This one is from McClatchy which is PRO-OBAMA, try it:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/62082.html
“The compromise economic stimulus plan agreed to by negotiators from the House of Representatives and the Senate is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won’t stimulate economic activity, according to a range of respected economists.”
Ouch!!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Kevin.
Submitting relative fact is to “Over power” ?
My point in submitting such a lengthy post was that I dont believe you actually research much of whats going and instead just take headlines from the KOS or Huffington and run with it.
I put you in a position where you actually might have to read something of fact instead of buying into all the crappy little tidbits you pick up here and there.
As many times as I’ve invited you to step out of the gutter and indulgei n a somewhat intellectual engagement it seems that once thats imposed on you , you go all pussy on me and start whining about having to deal with actuial valid documentation.
See ya,
Looser.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Well you all can say what you want but Utahn here — and we need this money. I want public humiliation for my delegation, and a chance to turn Utah blue (it was for FDR).
This is MY country again.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
The comments on this thread are lame. You all don’t get it and you are idiots.
People just want to see their President trying to fix “the mess”. Bush never did this - he was incapable of caring enough to try and explain anything to the masses. Obama will try and he will win some and he will lose some. And he will admit when something doesn’t work - which the GOP will see as a small victory when it happens, but the vast majority of the public will embrace the truthfulness and humility that oozes out of every one of Obama’s pores.
The GOP really is in a world of trouble. In the echo chambers manned by Limbaugh et al, they are completely divorced from reality. They are just so out of tune with how 80% of the country thinks that they are incapable of formulating a winning strategy. They are putting the whole GOP in a hole that it will never be able to get out of.
As I see it, this is all win-win for us. Obama tried to drag the GOP into the light and they foolishly shunned the olive branch. It is a gift for us that the GOP chose to act this way.
I feel very sorry for all of you on this thread. It is clear that you are in denial and I fear that when reality does hit, you will be incapable of dealing with it. You then would be potentially destined for mass anarchy or mass suicide. I sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that for all of our sakes.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
John.
I love the way you call people idiots not because of the facts they find but rather based on your opinion.
“People just want to see their President trying to fix “the mess”. Bush never did this - ”
That is an opinion and a lie that Bush never did this.
Please, dont make me list all the stimulus he applied in his 8 years.
“which the GOP will see as a small victory when it happens, but the vast majority of the public will embrace the truthfulness and humility that oozes out of every one of Obama’s pores.”
This is another opinion that is based on a lie.
Obama has decieved and gone back on his word numerous times during the campaign with public funding, his timetables for withdrawal, not mention all the misleading rebutals concerning his vetting over Ayers, Wright and Acorn. During his presidency he has broken many commitments and promises from day one.
No lobbyists was a lie.
Guaranteeing transparancy and the most ethical administration ever was a lie, I could find more, thats just off the top of my head.
“The GOP really is in a world of trouble. ”
More bullsh*t based on an opinion spawned of delusional wishful thinking.
Heres the deal.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues
Twenty-six percent (26%) of American voters say the nation is moving in the right direction, while 66% say it is heading down the wrong track, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
The number of voters who think America is moving in the right direction is down slightly from last week’s high of 29%,
Last week 62% said the nation was heading down the wrong track.
56% Oppose Any More Government Help For Banks
Americans are clear on one thing: 75% say the federal government should not take over the U.S. banking system.
Only nine percent (9%) think nationalization of America’s banks is a good idea
62% Want Stimulus Plan to Have More Tax Cuts, Less Spending
When dems were asked who could run congress better 46% said republicans 50 % said democrats.
When it comes to taxes, voters say they trust the GOP more by a 44% to 41%, after the parties were tied on the issue in January.
Voters trust Republicans more on national security - for the fourth straight month.
Thirty-nine percent (39%) of voters trust the GOP more when it comes to immigration, while 37% trust the Democrats more. A month ago, the Democrats led by seven on this issue.
So you see homey, if we toss in the fact that this 111th congress is the frickin worst this country has ever seen along with the fact that 2/3rds of the country doesnt want this stimulus in this form you and your totally useless congress could very well be history come 2010.
You had better pray this stimulus works because the reality is that most people dont think it will do enough, when that happens, you cant blame Bush anymore, not that you “IDIOTS” wont try.
“As I see it, this is all win-win for us. Obama tried to drag the GOP into the light and they foolishly shunned the olive branch. It is a gift for us that the GOP chose to act this way.”
Another steeeenking pole of dung.
Many of our reps on the hill were suggesting that this bill have less spending, more tax breaks and less government interventionism.
To allow consumers to deduct the taxes and interest payments on any new auto purchase for two years, and a $15,000 tax credit for the purchase of a new home.
Larger credits for small business than what Obama offered.
Larger refunds than what comes out to about a 1.36 a day for a single person.
Gee, thanks.
They also wanted to sit down and discusss long term permanent employment opportunities other than the temporory ones this plan offers that wont start for another 2 years.
We have stated many times that this package could do the trick at a a fraction of the cost by simply putting the money in the peoples hands.
And when asking to be a part of meetings to discuss such amendments were stonewalled and not even allowed in the same room.
Then we were told we would have 48 hours to review the bill(at 1200 pages thats impossible) but still were given less than 24 as Pelosi and Reid broke their promise.
Also, we actually think many of the ideas are good ones and wanted to tweak them a little here and there, but the big issue that we conmsider our major input is to actually withdraw all the gifting and wastefull spending
What we are saying is that we also want a stimulus, and favor many of the applications in this bill, but all the wastefull spending will just cancell out the benefits.
LOOSE THE SPENDING THAT WILL DO NOTHING !
That had been our biggest suggestion.
So you see, there was a “bi partisan ” effort being put forth by the simple means of requesting that the spending be dropped and it was totally ignored.
Instead, they added more.
Face it Jersey, you cant cry about conservatives running up the national debt ever again. At this rate, put it together with the initial bail outs a few months ago that Bambi voted for, this stimulus, the TARP that Geithner is applying, interest on these loans, inflation, and you know he’ll be back asking for more in 6 months, we have increased our national debt from 10 trillion to 14 trillion in less than 2 months.
Olive branch ? My ass.
Answer me this question.
If we are headed for such certain catastrophe any day now, as Obama keeps saying. Then why is it that these programs, the ones that are worth a damn, don’t take root sooner ?
And if there was so much bi partisanship invested in this bill why did not even “ONE” republican vote for it ?
Getting this turd passed as quickly as possible was the only thing being supported as it is 1170 pages long which gave no one any time whatsoever to read it.
Not to mention , finding exactly whos name was attached to what propositon or project is nearly impossible as I witnessed a panel on CNN trying to do just that.
Now, find me something based on relative fact to back your asinine opinions and assertions or consider yourself the true idiot.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Sorry, I was responding to the same bullsh*t assertion by a fellow named Jerssy at another blog and simply brough that comment here since its very tiresome typing the same thing 10 times a day.
“Face it Jersey,”
Should say.
Face it John.
And if you think I’m full of it, heres the link from the similar discussion I had yesterday.
http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2009/02/my-interview-with-senator-orrin-hatch/#comments
February 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
“The comments on this thread are lame. You all don’t get it and you are idiots.”
Hello John! I’ll sure agree with you that we don’t get it. I have repeatedly asked the neo-socialists again and again to explain it to us, but they never do. They never explain how BILLIONS of dollars going to pet projects that have nothing to do with the economy is helping us. Perhaps you can? Enlighten us, please.
“Bush never did this - he was incapable of caring enough to try and explain anything to the masses.”
Ah yes, the “Republicans don’t care!” argument. How original. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
“They are just so out of tune with how 80% of the country thinks that they are incapable of formulating a winning strategy.”
80%? Where did you get that statistic? I’d love to see the source. DailyKos? The Huffington Post perhaps? Keep trying.
“They are putting the whole GOP in a hole that it will never be able to get out of.”
I do agree that the GOP is in a hole, but it has nothing to do with your whipping boy Rush Limbaugh. Not to mention, Obama is doing quite a good job of unifying the GOP. Thanks!!!
“As I see it, this is all win-win for us.”
LOL!!! Now who is out of touch with reality!!!!
“It is a gift for us that the GOP chose to act this way.”
I guess time will tell, but please continue to get overconfident. It helps us tremendously.
“I feel very sorry for all of you on this thread. It is clear that you are in denial and I fear that when reality does hit, you will be incapable of dealing with it.”
Right back at ya, John! We have no problem dealing with reality. Judging by your post it is you who is having a problem with reality. Hundreds of economists have come out against the stimulus plan saying it won’t help the economy, but what do they know anyway?!?! Of course, Obama knows it won’t do much for the economy too. It will, however, funnel billions of taxpayer dollars to Obama’s people and guarantee future votes. When the economy does recover, which it will eventually even without the stimulus, Obama will claim victory and zombies like you who have no idea what’s going on, will celebrate with him. I truly do feel sorry for you.
“You then would be potentially destined for mass anarchy or mass suicide.”
Not gonna happen. In case you hadn’t noticed, John, only the neo-socialists have been screaming like wild banshees and crying, pouting, and stomping trying to blame Bush for everything on the planet, not us.
What color is the sky in your world? I’m curious.
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