become a radical conservative
March 30, 2009
we’ve talked a bit here about sal alinsky’s 1971 book ‘rules for radicals’, designed to teach radicals how to organize, and how The One and his minions appear to have adopted rule #13 on a number of levels and are using it on private citizens like rush limbaugh.
andrew breitbart has written and interesting article today about rules for radical conservatives. read his whole piece but here are some awesome excerpts:
“Read the comment sections of right-leaning blogs, news sites and social forums, and the evidence is there in ugly abundance. Internet hooligans are spewing their talking points to thwart the dissent of the newly-out-of-power.
We must not let that go unanswered.
Uninvited Democratic activists are on a mission to demoralize the enemy - us. They want to ensure that President Obama is not subject to the same coordinated, facts-be-damned, multimedia takedown they employed over eight long years to destroy the presidency - and the humanity - of George W. Bush.
(…)
So now that the right is vanquished and thoroughly out of power, why doesn’t it learn from its conquerors and employ similar tactics?
The answer is obvious. The right, for the most part, embraces basic Judeo-Christian ideals and would not promote nor defend the propaganda techniques that were perfected in godless communist and socialist regimes. The current political and media environment crafted by supposedly idealistic Mr. Obama resembles Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela more than John F. Kennedy’s America.”
most likely very few conservatives have actually read sal alinsky’s book. but if you can get past the obvious socialist and anarchist themes (which are creepy), its actually practical advice for uniting and organizing diverse groups of people who may not always agree with each other. once unified, this large diverse group is capable of successfully challenging major corporate or political power structures and systems. interested? stay with me…
now all the talk about rules for radicals revolves around sal alinsky’s ‘tactics’ chapter 7. here they are in a nutshell:
1. power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.
2. never go outside the experience of your people. you never want your own people to be disoriented, confused, and disheartened by your own tactics - save that for the other side.
3. whenever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy.
4. make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. sal alinsky’s example is controversial, but effective — in that the christian church has never lived up to all the rules of christianity hence hypocrites, fallen leadership.
5. ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. it is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition - just look at some of the radical moonbats we get here at bblog.
6. a good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7. a tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8. keep the pressure on. utilize a mix of different tactics and actions on a continual basis. tie them into current events.
9. the threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10. the major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11. if you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its ‘counterside’. sal alinsky illustrates this point with a story about a break-in where his home was ransacked, followed by a break-in at his ‘Industrial Areas Foundation’ offices using keys taken from his home. the only thing stolen at the IAF office was a set of files concerning a particular corporation that the IAF was targeting. police noted that ‘the corporation might just as well have left its fingerprints all over the place.
12. the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. this is an extremely important goal for the organizer. organizing isn’t about rabble-rousing or agitation; it’s about solving problems. sal alinsky notes that successful organizations are the ones whose actions actually result in positive change.
13. pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. we have talked about this one — used against rush limbaugh by barack obama. blame-shifting is an effective stalling tactic and unless it is undermined it can quickly disorient an organizing program. sal alinsky says that when you ‘freeze’ a specific target, you not only end the blame-shifting game, but you also smoke out the other targets as they come forward to defend your primary target. the target must also be personal, not an ideology or some other abstraction.
interesting don’t you think? surely these are things we can adopt and even practice. if liberals utilize these tactics regularly (and we know they do), then why can’t conservatives utilize them - effectively - as well?
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March 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
The whole idea that conservatives are not combative and or aggressive is on it’s face, hilarious. Conservatives can be the meanest, nastiest people around. They especially hate each other. But when it comes to a real knock down drag out fight on ideology, conservatives loose their will and their passion. The reason is they don’t know what they really believe and are not interested in being the last man standing. Liberals on the other hand believe AND LIVE their principles to their very core.
And Leeann do NOT accuse me of mischief here, you get what you see with me whether you like it or not.
March 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Hilarious! I KNOW you are not calling for conservatives to grab their pitchforks and lanterns are you???
These kind of techniques in organizing will never work for conservatives. You allow your religion of “Turn the other cheek” to stop any intense protests to even begin much less happen. You are just not capable of doing these things. Next?
March 30th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“But when it comes to a real knock down drag out fight on ideology, conservatives loose their will and their passion. ”
Really Pennie ?
Then why have you never been able to engage me (or anyone else) in any kind of debate in search of truth ?
I’ve been doing what I do for a couple years now and can tell you without a doubt that your assertion that we loose our will and passion is a crock that can be proven by the 75 % volunteer force out there in the middle east thats fighting for your right to spew such crap.
Why have conservatives won 7 out od every 10 presidential elections ?
“The reason is they don’t know what they really believe and are not interested in being the last man standing.”
You’re laughable, really. Liberals are the epitome of hypocrisy and live their lives according to whatever principle is convenient for them at the time to allow a life of no accountability and promiscuity.
Lets see, we can toss babys in dumpsters, give vigils for serial rapists/murderers and yet cherish the lives of the very people that want us all to die horrible deaths.
Your PC and fairness policies ooze with hypocrisy as you b*tch about free this and free that yet are the most regulating and controlling aspect of our community.
You cry free speech as you disect every word everyone says for any hint of something you can so disengenuously cry foul over.
You preach against racism yet you introduce it into every argument possible only a false argument when you have nothing else to stand on and are no doubt the reason minorities have been voting democratic for 50 years and are in the same pile of crap they were in 50 years ago.
you guys are mess, to say the least.
You crap on the rich yet ask wheres the money when you see needs that only you deem are worthy of the funding, you despise capitalism yet the majority of those on Wall street are liberals and without it you would not have funding necessary to promote your lazy ass lifestyles.
Example.
The CHIP (Chilcrens health insurance program) is supposed to be for those children whos parents cant afford to insure them.
This program is to be funded by taxing cigarettes, so what do you people do ?You raise taxes on cigarettes in hopes that the extra revenue will add more funding when what actually happened is because of the increase in taxation more people have stopped buying cigaretes and so consquently the funding for the program is diminished.
Try again, and this time stop making stuff up.
March 30th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Jared;
“Next” ?
Next what ? Line of crap with nothing to back it up ?
March 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Micky what the hell was that comment? Was Schip even mentioned in Kate’s post? Is this another one of your all purpose answers that you keep in a file on your computer? Try to comment on relevant topics and today’s is on advocacy techniques R vs L. I guess you think if you can write something long enough, no one will confront you. Geez you are ridiculous. All those drugs did something to your brain.
March 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“But when it comes to a real knock down drag out fight on ideology, conservatives loose their will and their passion.”
Pennie, I have yet to see a liberal win an argument yet, whether it’s on tv, newspapers, or on the internet. As I have previously pointed out, people like yourself, Jared, Kevin, etc. will all leave pointless drivel posted here and then never return to see what anyone has to say in return. There can never be a discussion with liberals because 99% of the time, the facts are stacked against them. Note how the liberals who infest this site never use any links or quotes to prove their arguments. They just come here and trash people, like usual.
“Liberals on the other hand believe AND LIVE their principles to their very core.”
Do tell, Pennie, what are those principles? I’d love to hear your answer to this one. Unless you’re going to tell me that those principles are power, socialism, isolationism, and incompetence, you are wrong.
“And Leeann do NOT accuse me of mischief here, you get what you see with me whether you like it or not.”
That’s just it Pennie, there is nothing to see. You rarely argue a point, you just bash whoever doesn’t agree with you. That’s something to be proud of.
“These kind of techniques in organizing will never work for conservatives.”
I agree, Jared. As I have said before, conservatives have to work for a living, most of us don’t have the time to run around in the streets screaming, like liberals do. Hey, somebody has to help pay off Obama’s $3 trillion debt, right?
“You are just not capable of doing these things. Next?”
Fortunately, the dems in Congress and Obama are doing it all for us. The country, and indeed the world, is seeing him for what he is. Racking up more debt than all past president’s combined, including the Iraq war, not having a cohesive strategy for the economy, one idiotic flub after another in foreign policy, and surrounding himself with incompetence, the dems are doing more for the Republicans than anyone, thanks guys!!!
Did you check out how after Obama’s childish attacks on Rush Limbaugh, his audience skyrocketed? Brilliant!!
March 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Actually these are really just basic organizing tools used by unions since the early 1920’s and 30’s. I believe Saul Alinsky just personalized them and broadened them out to apply to his particular agenda in organizing hippies and young people in the 1960’s. I agree with Jared that I doubt if republicans or conservatives could really adopt these. No offense but I jsut don’t think conservatives are really dedicated advocates for change. They may be dedicated for their families and churches but not politically. They also don’t have a message that the masses want to hear. That is half of the battle alone.
March 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
“Micky what the hell was that comment? Was Schip even mentioned in Kate’s post?
Jared, you really are clueless as to the example I made of liberals conflicting themselves and the hypocrisy that drives it arent you ?
Try again.
Pennie said; “The reason is they don’t know what they really believe”
If you “believe” children should have health insurance you shouldnt screw up the one thing intended to fund it by forcing your belief that people shouldnt smoke !!
get it einstein ?
“Is this another one of your all purpose answers that you keep in a file on your computer? ”
It would seem that way to you since you’re obviously not able to read into anything deeper than your navel
“Try to comment on relevant topics”
Oh I get it, so your writing a whole post dedicated to me me is relevant to the post ?
Idiot.
” and today’s is on advocacy techniques R vs L.”
I did, in my controverting Pennie by pointing out that the troops who volunteer are the epitome of what a real advocate is for our beliefs and by also pointing out that if were such terrible fighters why hasnt she ever been able to deal with me, much like your whimpy a$$.
Is that one sinkin in too ?
” I guess you think if you can write something long enough, no one will confront you.”
Coming from soemone who couldnt argue his way out of a pre school i dont what to think of that.
” Geez you are ridiculous. All those drugs did something to your brain.”
Yea ?
Whats you excuse ?
Jenkem ?
March 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Besides the fact we work for a living instead of living in communes off the government, conservatives are decent, polite, and kindhearted. We don’t ram philosophies down the opponents’ throat. We believe our message is strong and winsome and do not believe we need to riot and cause mayhem.
I agree that our talking heads, our political strategerists and other politico’s could use these to further our agenda. Now is the time for hard ball. I also believe there are more of us then them. Just because Obama wears a suit and tie doesnt mean his soul isn’t that of a radical marxist. We need to fight him on every single issue with gorilla tactics. No compromise. No peace.
And Ken… good move with Leeann! My bride of 31 years has never forgotten my getting down on one knee.
March 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
“You allow your religion of “Turn the other cheek” to stop any intense protests to even begin much less happen. ”
“But when it comes to a real knock down drag out fight on ideology, conservatives loose their will and their passion. The reason is they don’t know what they really believe and are not interested in being the last man standing. ”
As I said before, but I’ll elaborate on just how void of thought and self contradictory the left can be in their statements while at the same time pointing out just how well the right maintains these qualities that we supposedly lack.
Yes, we are the “warmongering” battle ready miscreants who are ready to risk our lives and fight til “the last man is standing” to end any protests such as Saddam Hussein killing thousnds of his people in protest against the Iraqis who rejected his bloody dictatorship. We were the 75% risking our lives while liberal peace activists used their “cheeks” as human shields until the actual bullets started flying when at trhat timed they came running to US forces for protection.
If I’m correct it was Clinton who turned the other cheek while he was indulged in someone elses cheeks while he should of been hunting for the men who blew up the Cole, our embassies and the trade towers the first time.
Wasnt it also Carter who “turned the other cheek ” while out citizens were being held hostage in Iran ? Only to have a republican, Ronald reagan make his presence resulting in their release ?
Was it not Ronald Reagan who refused to turn the other cheek when demading Mr. Gorbachev to tear down this wall ? Eventually defeating the communist Soviet Union ?
Pennie, our ideologic perservirance and unwillingness to turn the cheek has served you and the rest of this country very well, wouldnt you agree ?
Now, unless you actually make it back here to refute what I say, or even agree with it I will in effect be the “last man standing” wont I ? toodles.
Jared.
This religion of ” turn the other cheek ” that you speak of for some reason has been able to keep our country safe for 8 years from a movement driven by a religion that does not “turn the other cheek”.
Would you care to explain this phenomenon to me ?
Asaia;
“No offense but I jsut don’t think conservatives are really dedicated advocates for change.”
Hmmm. while dems are known for their desire to “change’ that does not necessarily mean that they would be advocates for “progress” seeing as how this administration is taking us down a road that weve been before that as history dictates is destined to fail.
This ‘change we dont need, thankyou very much.
The change we are looking at is a repeat of socialist ideas and policies responsible in part for the collapse of Nazi Germany.
The change we are looking at today is almost the exact same brand of change introduced in the New deal of the 30s that not only added to but continued and worsened the already festering economy, very much the same brand of change that Carter brought us, very reminescent of what we see happening today.
Conservatism allows change by offering stabilty in priciples that give a stable foundation upon which to reach and achieve progress.
Sorry guys, you pushed for change and all you did was go back to reapeat old mistakes, much like changing back into last weeks underwear
March 30th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I think conservatives do not know how to use these kinds of directives. I think conservatives in general are not good fighters. Liberals are bare knuckle type hitters and conservatives are like little prissy hit-them-in-the-face-with-a-white-glove kind of fighters. It just won’t work.
The only way conservatives will ever get back in power is the same way they lost power which is that those in power make a lot of sh*tty mistakes.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
What are you freaks on this blog talking about???! Conservatives are incredibly radicalized! Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh? How about Ruby Ridge, the Militiamen? How about that fat drug addict who tells millions of people that the President of the United States is a radical and needs to fail, basically calling for him to be overthrown?
What do you think is happening when conservatives accuse Obama of “trying to change this country,” bringing “socialism” upon us, and “taking our guns??” It is basically a Sal Alinsky method for conservatives! Get real and grow up.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
JohnK those are good points. I agree.
Micky with all due respect you are just plain wrong. You said this in a comment up there ^
“while dems are known for their desire to “change’ that does not necessarily mean that they would be advocates for “progress” seeing as how this administration is taking us down a road that weve been before that as history dictates is destined to fail.”
It is the conservative that refuses change and progress. It is the conservative that has no interest in trying new things for their people and learning from mistakes and successes of others. It’s easy for you to say history dictates but you say that many times but you are never specific. I am saying that progressive societies are happy societies. People are more free not less. People are also taken care of without such a big disproportion of wealthy and poor.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Asia.
So, because you say so ?
“I am saying that progressive societies are happy societies. People are more free not less.”
Please be specific, which societies ? Where ?
You say I’m not specific yet I laid down as least 3 examples while you maintain nothing specific of your own to back your claims and go on asserting that I have to just take your word for it ?
Nazi Germany, Carter, The New Deal, thoae are specidic examples of how you liberals change nothing but simply regurgitate old tired ideas that history dictates as failures.
Nazism is an ideology founded on socialism which is exactly what Obama is doing with massive government intereventions, selective progressive taxation, entitlements paid for by methods of class warfare, socalized medicine, etc, etc, etc…
The new deal was much the same kind of federal intervention we see going on where FDR bought toxic assets from the bansk much as we see today. The only thing that brought us out of the depression was the war where americans actually started to produce such cash crops as weapons, uniforms, auto industry provided vehicles, people went back to work and revenues flooded the econmy to be taxed as then the fed had revenues also.
History dictates that no amount of government spending has ever revived any capitalistic society from a depression, ever.
Carter did much the same thing in that he imposed regulations subsidies on agricultures giving us etahnol which was supposed to be the answer to our shortage of energy resulting from the oil embargo.
Obviously you havent a clue what you’re talkin about, you’re a funny girl, but I do give you credit for at least making it back here twice in one day.
John.
MvVeigh ? Ruby Ridge ?
How bout the guys that Obama hung with ?
His pastor/mentor is an avid fan of Louis Farrrakhan, Radical Muslim whoo hates whites.
Ayers bles up the pentagon and a few other things when Obama was 8 but he didnt know about it till the media brought it up during the campaign ?
Ayers, who was ” just a guy in the hood” became..
“We did work together for a little while” became..
“We worked together for a couple years”.
And then theres the ACORN/Annenberg/community organizer/citibank strong arming for sub prime loans debacle/connection.
He said he gave ACORN 800,000.00 bucks but dont work with them even though he represented counsel to them in the citibank issue.
His mom and dad were Marxist.
His relatives in Kenya are radical terrorist muslims.
And why was Corsi arrested in Kenya ?
His association with Frank Marshall Davis. (mentor/communist)
His association with Rashid Khalidi - Palestinian supporter/professor at C U
He has plainly repeated the words of Carl Marx in saying “Spread the wealth”
Thats just Obama buddy.
“the Militiamen?”
Whats radical about keeping illegals out of the country ?
” How about that fat drug addict who tells millions of people that the President of the United States is a radical and needs to fail,”
Wrong, but of course you know that and you’re just saying that cuz it feeeeeeeels so good doesnt it ?
Rush said he wants the policies to fail. You’re probably the only one still running off that line of crap anymore .
“basically calling for him to be overthrown?”
Yea, so ?
You morons tried for years to impeach Bush. The only reason those idiots on the hill never pursued it was becuse they knew they were just as guilty as he was and they’d all have to take the same rap as him for voting on the war, as them and the cons all had the same intelligence.
March 31st, 2009 at 6:17 am
“Liberals are bare knuckle type hitters and conservatives are like little prissy hit-them-in-the-face-with-a-white-glove kind of fighters.”
Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh. Liberals don’t fight, they hide and take potshots from the shadows. Liberals scream how the government should do things, while conservatives go ahead and do them. Liberals waste time demoninzing a radio talk show host, while they reclassify the war on terror to “Overseas Contingency Operations” while our enemies plot against us. Liberals rail against a $500 billion deficit in 8 years, then triple it in less than two months. Liberals are not fighters, nor radicals, nor agents for progess. They are mostly cowards who want the government to do the things they don’t have the stomach for.
“The only way conservatives will ever get back in power is the same way they lost power which is that those in power make a lot of sh*tty mistakes.”
That is already well on its way to happening.
“Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh? How about Ruby Ridge, the Militiamen?”
Oh, John, how ignorant. I thought you liberals were interested in seeking the “causes” of why terrorists kill? That way we can “understand” them, right?
McVeigh was mainly driven over the edge by two incidents, Ruby Ridge (Under Clinton) where an FBI sharpshooter shot a woman as she held her baby, and Waco (Also under Clinton). So it would seem that your hero, Slick Willy, was the cause of this “conservative” lashing out.
We could also look at the liberal hippies of the 70’s who railed against the Vietnam war because of all the innocents being murdered (sound familiar?), yet after we pulled out the, communists murdered millions of innocent civilians, nice work libs!!
So please, John, get a clue.
“It is the conservative that refuses change and progress.”
That’s because its not progress, Asia. Change isn’t ALWAYS good, and this president is a fine example. Just because you change somethign doesn’t mean you always improve it.
“It’s easy for you to say history dictates but you say that many times but you are never specific.”
Sure we are, Asia. We’ve said that FDR tried the very same economic policies during the Great Depression and they didn’t help, they made things worse.
We’ve said how ignoring a threat, like we did in WW II and with Bin Laden can be deadly yet we’re seeing the same things from Obama that led to those mistakes.
“I am saying that progressive societies are happy societies.”
Examples please?
“People are also taken care of without such a big disproportion of wealthy and poor.”
Again, examples please?
March 31st, 2009 at 7:34 am
And then there’s this statement that’s supposed to be some kind of confirmation that conservatives are radical.
John;
“What do you think is happening when conservatives accuse Obama of “trying to change this country,” bringing “socialism” upon us, and “taking our guns??” It is basically a Sal Alinsky method for conservatives! Get real and grow up.?
For 8 years we had to listen to ( and watch) as liberals accused Bush of performing these diabolical deeds of evil that when libs are confronted over they say its their patriotic duty to dissent.
There’s a difference between “dissent” and simply making up viscous lies that you pulled out of your rump, for example.
Bush is a war criminal/ Nazi who illegally invaded a sovereign country.
He did it for Halliburton.
He did it for the oil.
Bush was responsible for 911 in that him and a covert operation blew up the trade towers on their own in order to have an excuse to go to war.
Or there’s the other line of crap put out by Michael Moore that says Bush collaborated with Bin Laden and Al Queda, that why Bin Ladens whole family was whisked out of the country the day after 911.
The next one was that Bin Laden hated Bush personally and that had Bush not been elected 911 never would of happened.
Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans because he’s a racist who wanted to clear out the 9th ward of its black population.
John, its not an Alinsky tactic when conservatives say that Obama is imposing socialism upon us, nor is the accusation a lie, its the truth in every way imaginable.
The Alinsky method would be to fabricate un provable inflammatory allegations and keep saying them over and over again until it becomes as mundane and acceptable as many of the fairy tales today that people still think are true.
If you looked up the meaning of socialism and cared to understand how its applied to a society you would be able to see that this is “EXACTLY” what Obama is doing.
Higher percentages of taxation for certain income brackets
Government operation and control of institutions that are the main players and foundation of our market like the banks, the insurance companies, the stock market, and the companies with the largest union work forces.
Our health care system.
Massive entitlement programs such as paying mortgages, extending welfare benefits, tax breaks for those who don’t pay taxes.
Regulation of lifestyles thru energy initiatives.
So please, the next time you say our expressing concerns over a legitimate issue is radical, do me a favor and explain to me what the hell we should call what you guys were doing for all of Bush’s term.
March 31st, 2009 at 8:22 am
Micky so if you follow your reasoning, it’s ok to slam Obama because the left did it to Bush. I think you like to complain that no one ever gives you reasons. You wail and wail on that no one who comes in here wants to debate you but the reality is that you are doing exactly what leftists did to Bush. You are really no better then they are.
March 31st, 2009 at 8:30 am
Hello. What makes you all think the right isn’t radical? Look at Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh! Your sanctimonious act is what makes real Americans, who actually might share common values with you, run from the GOP.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:18 am
“Micky so if you follow your reasoning, it’s ok to slam Obama because the left did it to Bush.”
“are doing exactly what leftists did to Bush. ”
Not at all. Make your point with an example please
I was saying that dissent is to be expected on both sides, its just that when the other side doesnt agree with it they legitimate dissent radical and/or blur the difference.
We are slamming Obama on legit policies that hes making while the left was fabricating unprovable accusations against Bush.
We are protesting the application of socialist policies. The left will argue that they are not social policies and if they are that would be accetable also.
I have yet to hear anyone on the right accuse Obama of intentionally doing harm to Americans, have you ? Have you heard me or anyone on this blog say that Obama is murdering innocent children ? Or intentinally caused American catastrophes ?
Rush may say that Obama will harm americans and that he does not want his socialist policies to fail, but he has also expressed that he thinks Obama is a man with good intentions.
You guys are doing the exact same thing now that you did to Bush in his 8 years.
You are taking what Rush said and “MAKING IT RADICAL” by saying “Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail”
Thats wrong and intentionally placed out of context just like the things you were saying about Bush.
” I think you like to complain that no one ever gives you reasons.”
That is a perfect example of placing things is a disengenuous context much like when honest dissent is called “slamming”
Its not “complaining” its making a point in hopes that by bringing more to the conversation it will be more productive.
“You wail and wail on that no one who comes in here wants to debate you but the reality is that you are doing exactly what leftists did to Bush. You are really no better then they are.”
So what ?
I can say all day long that you’re no better than this or that but I fight for what I believe and dont just come by , drop of some obnoxious remark and then never return until the next post.
Notice that those on this thread that say we cons dont fight til the last man stands, dont have the will, and bla bla bla when they are the exact ones that just spex crap and then bail not engaging in any kind of fight at all
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June bug.
If those two are you best examples of “radical” you’ve got an awful lot of reading to catch up on.
Please go to my post above and see the list of radicals that Obama “alone” associated with never mind the whole lot of liberal radicals in the last 50 years that have done everything from blow up recruiting centers to eco terrorism, to massive protests turning into riots and all the far left radical speakers you’ve all bestowed upon our society.
Would you like the list ?
I’ll gladly submit it but only if you’ll read it because it would certainly overwhelm the thread
March 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am
“other side doesnt agree with it they legitimate dissent radical… ”
should say
“other side doesnt agree with it they CALL legitimate dissent radical…”
March 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Micky you miss my point. You always want everyone to give examples and to make points in the way YOU make them. YOU are my point. Let people make their own comments okay? Why do you feel the need make people debate in the exact style that you do? You scare people off and that is no way to effect change. Expecially when you have a relatively safety zone like a small board like this. This is actually a cool way to voice opinions even if it feels like a one-way discussion, people are still reading I imagine.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Pat.
My point is that dropping troll turds and then splitting is not debate !
Got it ?
I never said anyone couldnt comment the way they do, did I ?
“This is actually a cool way to voice opinions even if it feels like a one-way discussion, people are still reading I imagine.”
Opinions , opinions, opinions, great !
Weve all got opinions but what good is it if yoiu cant go into detail and apply some substance to it in order to give credibilty and relevance ?
“So thats how you feel huh ”
“Cool, would you mind telling me why and what lead you to believe that ?”
“well if thats the case what proof do you have to warrant those feeling ?”
But instead what we get are a bunch of snippy little punks who just like to spread fals allegations, mis truths, amd nasty lies.
So excuse the f*ck out of me if I want a little something more out of my conversation so that we can actually get to the root of things and find solutions.
If convincing you that you’re wrong is one stepping stone to achieving that truth then I’m all for it.
But if you just want slam opinions back and forth that are no more than sublime insults to each other be my guest.
“You always want everyone to give examples and to make points in the way YOU make them.”
So sue me if I’m not going to just accept some bullsh*t from someone and move on as if I’ve been enlightened.
Look bub, you cant just go around saying things about people without having something to back it up.
Do you undertsand that ?
When some guy tells me and the whole world that Bush lied hes spreading lies that can do harm to others and I would require some sort of example or confirmable truth to verify it beofre I believe it.
If its proven to me that Bushs did in fact lie than I might cast a more liberal vote on my next visit to the polls (NOT)
So you go right ahead, say whatever you want, true or not.
But I’ll give you the benfit of the doubt in saying that you’d probably like to be taken seriously, RIGHT ?
If thats the case then you’re going to have to give me something more than your opinion.
Also, if you’re expecting to come around and just drop an opinion or inflammatory statement and not be approached in some way you need your head examined.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am
Oh I see. So you wrote the rules for commenting here on this blog, on every blog? Where are they? I don’t see them here anywhere.
My point, again, is that people express themselves differently on blogs. I don’t like the hit and run jobs myself. They are juvenile and self gratifying like the kid who makes prank calls. But I also don’t like the badgering that you do. Your badgering shuts down discussion.
March 31st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Look buddy, stop the obfuscating Bullsh*t, alright ?
Where did I dicate that anyone had to do anything ?
These are my personl injections on how I “think” an conversation should go in order to geta productive result.
Do you know the difference between how “I” like to do things and having the power to actually make others do what I want ?
Obiously not.
It seems more to me like you want to condone the type of expressions that are cheap and meant to do nothing more than spread the vile garbage thats screwing up our country.
Sure, we all like to be sarchastic, have fun, be off beat and taunt the other guy.
Hell, I’m sure you’ve seen me and my potty mouth in full action and probably wonder where the hell I’m coming from.
I like to take these short little exchanges that we have here engaging in subtle suggestive accustions or assertions and bring them past that point to rendering that exposes fact and truth. If you dont want to go that direction who the hell am I to get pi$$ed if you dont ? But I will say that when people do ake that course it makes one of a few things evident.
1) You have nothing to back your crap with.
2) You know you’re wrong and dont want to go there for fear of looking like an a$$
3) You have some need to spew the most ridiculous thing you can say as a means of therapy
4) You already know the truth and out of pride wont admit it when shown to you.
How my doin so far ?
5) Your uneducated on the matter at hand and realize that you’re out of your league.
6) You dont believe in your position well enough to enage in the effort of fighting for what you believe is right.
#6 was pretty much what drove this subject of me lambsting those who wont fight it out because that was the initial accusation in the first post on this thread made by PenniPan and probably what drove you to think I’m dictating how the discourse here should take place.
I’m not !
I found it ironic that the same people who accuse conservatives of” loosing their will and their passion, not fighting til the last mans stands ” are actully the ones that just pop in, say some stupid sh*t they know they cant prove, and then bail.
And then to top it off they finish all that with ;
“Liberals on the other hand believe AND LIVE their principles to their very core.”
Is that one of the liberals priciples ? To contradict their own point all whithin the same paragraph that tries to make it ?
To say that conservatives dont have the qualities that them themselves just showed to be lacking ???
Did Pennie come back to try and prove her point by giving an example or comparisson ? Not at all. All she did was make a statement with the arrogance to assume that because she said so it was true and that was that.
Now, If there was some objection to the way I conduct myself and request that others do I’m sure Kate would let me know my place .
March 31st, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Micky thanks for just making my point.
March 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
@ Micky
“Asia.
So, because you say so ?”
Well isn’t that what you do? You say so, in reams, and I am suppose to just believe YOU because you said so? No thanks.
“I am saying that progressive societies are happy societies. People are more free not less.”
Please be specific, which societies ? Where ?
Well San Francisco is probably the most progressive city in our country. With Seattle right behind. They are happy being progressive, they attract other progressives to their city, and they don’t care what Faux News says about them, they are happy.
March 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
ummmm … san francisco has the most homeless that i have ever seen in this country.
i used to time my walking pace to get to the street corner when the light went to green so i could cross without being mobbed by homeless asking for money.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:18 pm
“Micky thanks for just making my point.”
Yea right, nice try, is that the best you got ?
hehe, all you wana do in typical liberal fashion is control the “speech”, the “message” by coming in here and telling me that I shouldnt ask people to confirm their statements and accusations.
LOL, I’m the bad guy because I ask for examples that back up your crap.
Oh wouldnt it be nice if you all could just have free speech without ever having to defend your idiocy ?
Asia;
“Well isn’t that what you do? You say so, in reams, and I am suppose to just believe YOU because you said so? No thanks.”
What would you like to know Asia ? Just tell what it is you doubt and I’ll be more than happy to accomodate you with verification.
But I must ask…
Can you read ? Did you read anything I listed explaining my positions and how I got there ? Obviously not, me thinks you’re just making a ” I am rubber you are glue” argument
“Well San Francisco is probably the most progressive city in our country. With Seattle right behind”
Wrong, “probably” dont cut it, ya see, thats only because you “want” to believe that.
You figure because a place is full of moonbats it must be happy, right ?
As a matter of fact SF is the second most expensive city right behind NY which I might say is also very progressive while also having one of the countries highest suicide rates
“Men’s Health compiled this list based on antidepressant sales, courtesy of NDC Health; suicide rates, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); and the number of days inhabitants reported being depressed, based on the CDC’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System:”
1. Laredo, TX: A+
2. El Paso, TX: A+
3. Jersey City, NJ: A+
4. Corpus Christi, TX: A+
5. Baton Rouge, LA: A
6. Honolulu, HI: A-
7. Fresno, CA: A-
8. San Jose, CA: A-
9. Lincoln, NE: B+
10. Bakersfield, CA: B+
11. Buffalo, NY: B+
12. Anchorage, AK: B+
13. Stockton, CA: B+
14. Shreveport, LA: B+
15. (3-way tie) Madison, WI: B, Montgomery, AL: B, and Des Moines, IA: B
18. Wichita, KS: B
19. (tie) Sacramento, CA: B and Omaha, NE: B
Sorry, San Fransisco, Seattle, not there.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I live in Honolulu.
I’m happy
March 31st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I think conservatives are beginning to use these tactics. I think it took someone like Obama to shake them up enough to get serious. I know I am a lot more serious and even aggresive then I used to be about all of this. I think we need to take things back.
Thanks for the good information.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:46 am
“They are happy being progressive, they attract other progressives to their city, and they don’t care what Faux News says about them, they are happy.”
Your evidence of this is what? Did I miss the “happy” poll?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents…watch for #13 to be used over and over and over again. And while it is being used, as in the recent bashing and polarizing of the AIG people, watch what the other hand is doing, because, believe me, they won’t be “wasting” any of these “crises”.
p.s. you guys sure argue and insult each other enough…ok, I’m ducking now.
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