obama snitches: the ‘rat out your neighbor’ program
August 6, 2009
right after 9/11, president bush set up a plan called ‘Operation TIPS’ that was intended to get info and leads about potential crimes and acts of terrorism. this was because of the infiltration of the terrorist hijackers into our country enabling them to commit such a horrible deed on our soil. the program was not terribly different from tip hotlines used around the country set up by law enforcement. ‘If you see anything suspicious, you ought to report it.’ but the left went ballistic - ‘How dare the Bushies ask people to snitch for security reasons!’ and the program was basically emasculated.
obama’s snitch program is so different. he has set up a snitch line, a place for you to rat out your neighbors, not for crimes or terrorism but for simple political dissent - against him. and one big question is: if an ‘enemy’s list’ is compiled, what do you do with it?
i will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trying to collect the opposition’s arguments against health care reform so that they can then spin out a rebuttal quickly.
but if any of this could become even more orwellean, lanny davis, who i have a love/hate relationship with, is now asking that the media name names, publish photographs, and do interviews of those responsible for approving, even organizing the town hall meetings!
thankfully, senator john cornyn of the great state of texas, has both asked from the senate floor (which is important because it is now in the congressional record) and sent a letter accusing obama of acting in an unprecedented manner to shut down political dissent and what his intentions are about the snitch emails, the information he recieves.
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feel like you need to do something about all of this? well contact your representatives in congress first and formost and scream bloody murder. and then, participate! here is just one of 7 snitch emails i have submitted this morning to flag@whitehouse.gov. feel free to use it as your own template if there are those you feel compelled to snitch on.
Hey Barack!
There’s some crazy blogger chick (who really isn’t very good but has a modest following) out there posting a lying scheming video that makes it seem you are advocating a single-payer system! You can find it here:http://blatheringsblog.com/?p=3372
She is such a teabagging liar and she is deliberately spreading disinformation about what you want to do for all of us by giving us our hope back! She is hateful about Michelle, our wonderful first lady and she is also supporting orchestrated mob rule against you Barack, accusing you of using scare tactics, and has posted links to other videos here: http://blatheringsblog.com/?p=3409!
And finally Barack, she openly mocks you and is one of those BUSHIES! It’s really horrible! I could just die! Check out this link: http://blatheringsblog.com/?p=3338.
She should be arrested immediately but be careful, she is a gun owner.
Peace. Love. Tell Michelle she is fabulous!
Byeeee
i would also like to confess to you that i ‘email snitched’ on the following as well: nancy pelosi & harry reid, barney fwank, john kerry (just because i still am annoyed by him), jeaneane garafalo, my congressman and 2 senators, and al gore.
h/t micky on the cornyn letter.
Posted in barack obama, blowhards, democrats, freedom, hopechangery, liberty, moonbats
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August 6th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
The only good snitch is a dead snitch.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Or as they say in the criminal world: “Snitches get stitches!”
This is either incredibly arrogant or incredibly stupid. B.O. should have known what kind of reaction he would get with this kind of program. Which is, to say, the exact reaction that has been occurring. To think otherwise would be acting “stupidly”.
Now, if he knew this would be the reaction and didn’t care (which is what I believe) then he is just incredibly arrogant. He knew people would react this way, but simply felt it wouldn’t matter because “he won”. Apparently he misjudged the American people……again.
Just call him ‘butter’, cause he’s on a roll!!!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Well this time Kate I think you got something correct in your post!
“i will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trying to collect the opposition’s arguments against health care reform so that they can then spin out a rebuttal quickly. ”
I am shocked really. I expected you to believe black SUV’s would be coming for you in the middle of the night to take you to the boxcars.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
First there was the door to door signing of our “pledge” to support his economic policies.
The fairness doctrine.
Then theres the Obama national volunteer security force that was to be equivalent in size and potential to that of our military. (brownshirts)
Then we had Napolitano label every moderate conservative as a radical that we all should be aware of.
We also had the white house trying to be the managers of the census.
Now our “fishy” E mails are to be sent directly to the white house and not any other intelligence agancy.
This sh*t is approachs scary like no administration ever before. Except that of Nazi Germany. Today it reminds me of something Kim Jong or Chavez would do.
They’ve gone too far, way too far.
I’m snapping
August 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
pennie thanks… maybe.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
“i will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trying to collect the opposition’s arguments against health care reform so that they can then spin out a rebuttal quickly. ”
I say bullsh*t. After everythibg I’ve seen in the last 6 months I doubt their MO is as simple as that
This can done in a public forum with public debate. Thats how we do things in thios country. We dont have the executive branch single out a certain individual.
The arguments and counter points coming from the right and those concerned for their health care are already out there and clearly evident to the point where a program like this is totally unecessary and designed for one purpose and one purpose only.
If he follows thru on the capabilities a program like this contains or applies any ulterior motives theres going to be hell to deal with. Teabaggers will look like fricken Mary Poppins next to what would happen if he started responding on an individual basis to anyone or used the info to somehow squelch a gathering/assembly.
Just when I thought dems couldnt get any more arrogant and stupid
August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
PenniePan I am Jewish. Both entire families on my grandmother’s side were killed by the Nazis. When we resort to Nazi-speak like your girl Pelosi, then we do need to worry about the black SUV’s in the middle of the night and boxcars to nowhere.
Kate love the snitch mail.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Marsha relax. No need to go to Crazy Town today dear.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
“I am shocked really. I expected you to believe black SUV’s would be coming for you in the middle of the night to take you to the boxcars.”
Nah, that was just the lefty nutcases during the Bush years.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
You rightwingers should love Nazi stuff. Both Hitler and the Right are racist homophobes. Besides you guys get the whole Socialist stuff and Nazi stuff confused. Socialists are far LEFT. The Nazis were far RIGHT. Whoops. should have paid attention in History class!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Did any of you notice that most of the screamers in all of these town halls were elderly folks? There’s no need to rat them out to the White House. Because as soon as we get Obama’s healthcare plan in place we’ll be able to kill all of them.
Problem solved.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
hey stephen. i feel so much better - thanks for that. :rolls eyes:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“Because as soon as we get Obama’s healthcare plan in place we’ll be able to kill all of them.”
Need I say more about the liberal intelligence level? Seriously, can they get any more ignorant? Oh wait, I didn’t see Stephens post. I guess they can.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Kenny funny but not nice.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I realize it’s probably an online faux pas to paste a post from another site, but I just couldn’t resist. The following post on HotAir is truly priceless. DrW writes on August 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM that:
“I turned myself in yesterday. I just had to do it. I’ve been having all of these thoughts lately…anti-health care reform thoughts. I know I’m crazy not to just go along with whatever the President and Nancy Pelosi say I should think about this topic, but I can’t help myself. So I sent a tip to the hotline and admitted to my thought crime. I’ll glady go to whichever gulag they assign me to. Perhaps I’ll be lucky enough to be assigned to ‘political re-education’ at one of the nicer camps.”
Methinks DrW has hit the mark exactly here. While the need to laugh at the absurdity of the “fishy” files is essential, it’s more sinister implications are just grotesque.
If you haven’t read sections of health care House bill 3200, you might want to do so. Lines 15-24 on page 59 are eye-openers as they relate to the feds unlimited access to our personal bank accounts.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
So far, I’ve informed on every Obama voter I know.
Comments like “insufficiently enthusiastic” and “was once a faithful party member, but has wandered since health care came up.”
August 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
“You rightwingers should love Nazi stuff. Both Hitler and the Right are racist homophobes. Besides you guys get the whole Socialist stuff and Nazi stuff confused. Socialists are far LEFT. The Nazis were far RIGHT. Whoops. should have paid attention in History class!”
Hey, ya know what Stephen. maybe with all your edumacation you missed out on some common knowledge/sense.
American republican and conservative ideology is based on limited government intervention in ones life, private property and a free market capitalistic system.
Hitler stood for non of that.
You seem to confuse those who would defend their country and go to war just to do that with a murdering dictator who would be the kind todays conservative would go after. Whereas your party embraces and appeases all the dictators on this planet today that reflect much of Hitlers ideology.
I’ll give a clue. Mein Kampf is the largest selling publication in the middle east, besides the Koran, and your buddy Barry cant kiss their a$$es enough. Along with giving 900 million to Hamas, bowing to Arab kings and shmoozing with Chavez, catering to Castro
Todays democrat as is plainly seen by this issue and most of Obamas policies is about as close to WW2 Nazism as this country has ever gotten.
Wise up.
August 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
“Kenny funny but not nice.”
Yeah Pennie, funny like you.
But, as I mentioned to Jared, anyone over 12 is old to you guys
August 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
“Where are we all going? And why are we in this handbasket?”
The similarities between O and Hitler are creepy… Hitler asked his followers to “snitch” on which of their neighbors were Jews….before he hauled 6 million Jews off to their deaths.
August 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Love the snitch email. I might need to use that.
Kenny you’re an idiot. Don’t grow old bud…. Soylent Green.
August 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Lmfao. Do you all practice civil defense drills? Are you part of an underground stockpiling movement? Did you all memorize the “Red Dawn” movie? You rightwingers are scary for even bringing up Hitler in all ot this. Shame.
August 6th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
So Sandy, you’re laughing your “what” a$$ off ?
I have 2 WW2 survivors and 2 holocaust survivors in my family, one is still alive, my mother.
As young as 6 years old I remember the stories she would tell us of when the Nazis occupied Denmark, going door to door asking Danes for their allegiance to the Furors cause. There was no strict adherance to this but at that point they did manage to know who you were and where you lived if you voiced an opposition of any kind. They also had access to whats comprable to our census here in America. Another thing they did was to intercept the mail coming from anyone in any country they had occupied, not just Denmark. They also ofered certain types of immunity to snitches. You never knew who was going to turn you in for a fricken loaf of bread if you voiced some concerns went against the protocol for all citizens.
My mother was 12 at the time, my granma was 31-32. Not two or three weeks after the pledge takers were there they were taken to prison, tattoed, raped and beaten for hiding Swedes, Swiss, or American soldiers from the Nazis, I forget exactly which ones.
All the data that Obama wants access to today, the means and the methods all covered up by these ulterior motives is just all too f*cking reminescent of that time for me to stomach. Since when in our countries history has the executive branch wanted individuals mail reported to the white house ?
TELL ME ???
Do us all a favor, and yourself while you’re at it. Go pick up a book and when you’re done then maybe you can come back and make an argument that doesnt make you sound like you’re talking out your a$$
August 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Ahh, you learn something everyday.
Just out of Judge Napolitanos mouth.
Nixon sent photographers to take pics of the Vietnam protestors for the executive branchs use and was told by the SCOTUS that he couldnt do that for he was inhibiting free speech by using the fed/executive to intimidate the people.
What Obama is doing is definitely intimidating no matter what he says he wants it for
August 6th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Love the sample snitch email. Especially the “Byeeee”. I can just hear it!
August 6th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Kate I hope for the good of the Republic that one of the Senators you snitched on was Chuck you Schumer. Or Patrick Leaky Leahy, either one.
August 7th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Sandy is another one with a short memory. She seems to forget the multiple comparisons to Hitler that Bush had to endure at the hands of the neo-socialists.
August 7th, 2009 at 5:31 am
They did the same thing in Germany back in the 1930’s which turned loving neighbor agains each other….it was called the Nazi Party…
August 7th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Stephen doesn’t know what “Nazi” stands for.
Stephen is the one who should’ve pulled his head out in history class.
Stephen is your typical Obama voter.
“National Socialist,” Stephen.
Saying they were right wing doesn’t make it true no matter how often you parrot that nonsense.
Hitler got into office making the exact same promises Obama has and he seized total power in exactly the same way.
Hitler was backed by wealthy anti-Republican forces like Soros, just like Obama.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I dont’t think Obama is turning America into Nazi Germany. I do think there is a history lesson to be learned. Hitler was allowed to exterminate because the populace allowed it. They said nothing in the ’30’s when Hitler laid his plans for utter control. The signs (like now) were in plain site.
When we see things like we’ve seen over the last seven months, we need to scream NO at the top of our lungs.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Hey, do you hate conservative people, people that have traditional values about America?
Well you can make a difference today; by joining the RAT PACK for Obama! Yes that’s right, you could join up with the ACORN militia, to turn people in, and to crack heads if you don’t like their opinions.
Turn people in today, for their thoughts, and e-mails you don’t like. But soon when the ACORN militia is ready you can be a part of a full fledged RAT patrol in your community.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:51 am
As usual, the rightwing extremists blow things way out of proportion and move the dialogue in a stupid direction for the sole purpose of fearmongering.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:13 am
To the left, why is it okay for Obama to do the things you accuse the right of doing that you totally disagreed with? Why is it okay for our personal freedom and liberties be taken because you voted for this joker?
How is it not scary to you that he has associated with, and continues to surround himself with Communists and Terrorist?
Why is it okay for the left to orgainze protests, and when Acorn is involved or the Black Panthers, it is not civil. Then when oponents rise up, suddenly they are a bunch of whackos?
Here’s the reality, Obama supporters are one of two things, uninformed idiots, or communists. You will either give up your freedom unintentionally, or intentionally based on those catagories. I, however, will continue to fight for the freedoms entitled to me by birth.
Oh yeah just in case you were thinking it, I’ve already turned myself in to the Fuhrer.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Yeah, old people, senior citizens are the fear mongering extremists. Right.
Telling the whole country that it s manufactured effort full of radical right wing extremists when its bunch of old people on fixed incomes who are being scared sh*tless by your leader at the proposition that they will be taxed beyond the point where they cant sustain their lifestyle while being subjected to crappy health care that may dictate the quality of their last years on earth.
They are the single largest users of insured benifits in our country and they are scared Jane.
Its not us doing the fear mongering.
But “as usual” I’ll bet you cant even make an decent argument for your case. Just more drive by turd tossing.
I would just love for you or any liberal to show me an ounce of proof of who is coordinating this so called “manufactured” fear mongering.
Nope, its you guys who are doing the manufacturing, manufacturing of bullsh*t
August 7th, 2009 at 11:29 am
You people are unhinged! Did you see the stock market and unemployment numbers? Get a grip! Barack is turning things around for the better with or without you. Now go take your Xanax and laydown.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Yeah, we saw the unemplyment numbers, so what ?
Your own messiah said it would be a jobless recovery, and I dont see any recovery anywhere in sight. Seeing as how he himself said the recovery wouldnt happen overnight I hardly think theres anything to jump up and down about here. The fears amongst most economists are that unemployment will reach double digits before we any sign of recovery.
The actual numbers themselves are subjected to statistical or standard mistakes. That means that the actual layoffs last month might be far above or below whatevers expected. If you wanna go ahead and jump to conclusions based on just one data poin that came out today I suggest you need more than just Xanax and sure as hell wouldnt let you broker a fricken for me.
Market analysis are only reliable on quarterly views. Wise up and stop trying to sound like you know what you’re talking about
Now, wtf does any of that have to do with your messiah employing tactics remenescent of WW2 gemany ?
August 7th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
PenniePan,
Yes I did see the numbers today—-losing another 250,000 jobs for the month of July is nothing to brag about. We need to be creating at least 150,000 jobs/month to accept the new folks coming into the job market.
Barack is turning things around—-what a load of cr*p! Obama is spending us into the poor house and you are cheering him on with your “everythings coming up roses” delusional fog.
You need to pull your head out of the glue bag for a moment and take a breath of the fiscal stink billowing out of the White House and the chambers of Congress.. The deficit whore currently occupying the White House makes George Bush look like fiscal hawk in comparison.
The market is improving IN SPITE of the free spending deficit moron that is currently our President.
The original purpose of the much vaunted “Stimulus Bill” was to keep unemployment from rising above 8.0%—well we blew right past that number on our way to +10%. Obama originally stated he would create 3.5 X 10^6 jobs. That didn’t work, so the sentence was reworked to state “create or save 3.5 X 10^6 jobs”—thats not working out so well either. The problem is that Obama in his “infinite wisdom” set no parameters on the “Stimulus Bill” and proceeded to let the idiots in the House and Senate lard it up with all sorts of unecessary pork. Having not learned his lesson with the Stimulus Bill fiasco, Obama is now proceeding with an equally worthless and infinitely more dangerous “Healthcare Reform Bill.”
Some Hope and Change—I only hope I have some change left after Obama is done spending us and our future generations into a third world nation.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
“The problem is that Obama in his “infinite wisdom” set no parameters on the “Stimulus Bill” and proceeded to let the idiots in the House and Senate lard it up with all sorts of unecessary pork.”
” Having not learned his lesson with the Stimulus Bill fiasco
Right on Michael, on top of that he increased the talking heads in the fed government trifold and delegated everything to everyones brother and your friendly neighborhood Czar. One cheeck on the each side of the butthole doesnt know what the other is doing. Thats why you’ve got Geithner saying one thing while his boss says another.
Biggest mess I’ve seen in any presidency in 50 years.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
hey pennie
I want to add somthing to what michael just said. yes, wall street liked the fact that we lost less jobs then expected this month and there was a rally of sorts in the market today. but when you have lost 1/2 your wealth through the market drops and housing values under “barack”, that modest rally is just a drop in a huge bucket.
also keep in mind that under your beloved barack, the deficit you and your ilk threw in GWB’s face daily, has DOUBLED in just the last 7 months. thanks barack!
August 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
“You people are unhinged! Did you see the stock market and unemployment numbers? Get a grip! Barack is turning things around for the better with or without you.”
Pennie you are clueless. You run and hide when the stock market tanks, but when it starts to climb you crawl out from under your rock to tout Obamas greatness. Besides, I thought it was the great evil capitalist system, symbolized by the stock market, that was the problem in the first place? Now you’re proud when it does well. You need to get your indoctrination right. You seem lost.
As far as unemployment, Obama is a liar, plain and simple:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/unemployment-rate-dips-percent-july-better-expected-showing/
“The actual percentage of Americans who remain unemployed — including those who have stopped looking for work — is considerably higher than 9.4 percent and surpassed 10 percent months ago. By one measure, the unemployment rate is really 10.7 percent.”
Gosh, I’m surprised a coward that would sic union thugs on protesters would lie, aren’t you?
Again Pennie, I realize you cannot stick to the topic on any thread because you lack the intelligence. If you want to be a cheerleader for Hugo Jr. that’s fine, just stop pretending that you have any idea what’s going on.
August 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Mick, I just read your post at eric’s. Good stuff. I echo every thing you write.
How are you doing man, I hope you are on the mend.
Kate’s email is a great idea. We should jam the server at the White House.
Toma
August 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
“The actual percentage of Americans who remain unemployed — including those who have stopped looking for work — is considerably higher than 9.4 percent and surpassed 10 percent months ago. By one measure, the unemployment rate is really 10.7 percent.”
Yes, and this is largely due in part to the fact that not everyone is an entitlement freak like the moonbats and shows up right away at the unemployment office.
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Things are good Toma, how ya been man ?
Thank God and America for me having great health care, great insurance and great doctors that I was able to pay for all myself because America allowed and gifted me with the opportunity to do so.
Because of that I’m flying through this with colors.
I guess its fair to say that I’m sure glad I got sick now and not next year.
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Yea, Kate, can you put together a plan to put together a whole bunch of “fishy” e mails and send em to Barry ? Pay it forward x 3 type of thing maybe ?
August 7th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Its a good thing the crickets around here dont unionize.
The overtime would kill us
Drive by turd tossers are speechless again
August 7th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I feel I should point out, and wish I had earlier. I work in the Healthcare Ind and I will be the first one to say that there is a degree of reform needed badly. I see patients fall through the cracks for any type of assistance every day.
That does not mean I feel it is time for the Government to completely take over the industry. I can’t believe people especially on the left, who tend to be the conspiricy therorists more than anyone would want that.
I can only imagine what it would be like if Bush had done the things Obama is doing. You people would take to the streets and I imagine it would get really ugly.
Why is it that the biggest Community Organizer (Obama) in the country is now whining that oposition is organizing? If that is in fact what is happening, I’ve seen no evidence of such, but if so, so what? That’s his M.O.
I can’t believe Im defending the right either. Thats when you know my world has been turned on it’s head. I’m a Clinton Democrat who only registered as an Independent as of May 09 to disassociate myself from both parties. Prior to that, I was a registered Democrat for 22 years.
Just because he’s a Democrat, does not mean you need to agree with him on everything. He treats everything as an emergency in order to spin his agenda, which is suspicious at best.
This became quite clear to me A DEMOCRAT well before the election. I begged members of my own family to listen to me but they voted for him anyway. They are sorry for it now.
If you ask people honestly to answer just a few questions honestly like: Do you agree with bigger government? Do you think the Government should play a role in your daily life? Do you believe the Government should tell you what kind of car to buy, food to eat, what kind of lightbulb to use, put meters in your houses that control your use of electricity, tell you how much money you are alowed to make and keep, and if you own a business dictate how much you can pay your execs?
If you answered no to some or all of the above, Obama is not your man. Get off the crazy train and google it. While you are at it, look up the 2010 Cencus coming your way run by none other than Acorn.
Read Exicial Emanual’s work, and tell me they don’t plan on rationing healthcare. No, we are not crazy fear mongers. We are in fear. And what’s crazy is that this could actually happen here in the US, but it can, thanks to you on the left that refuse to see the truth. Or, you actually answered yes to those questions above, which does qualify you as a Communist.
Wake up! stop listening to what he says and watch what he does. While your at it, watch both hands.
August 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Well said, Shawn.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I’d like to add a couple questions to Shawns list, I doubt any liberal that comes here would answer them, if they could.
Why if theres only 43 million( or whatever the number is) that are in need of health care must the whole country be subjected to this ?
I say subjected because common sense and history dictates that where theres a freebee people will take it, much like the cash for clunkers which ran out of cash right away. People will take the public option if they feel its free to them, which means the private sector will get squeezed out, which in turn would allow us to be subjected to the public plan. Or shoved down our throats to be more realistic.
Why cant they just give this small part of America the health care were told they want and leave the rest of us the hell alone ? And what about SCHIP or just CHIP ? Or fixing medicade and medicare first ?
From what weve all been told theres even a portion of that group that doesnt want it or doesnt really qualify for it (aliens) so the amount of policies issued would actually be less, right ?
Shawn, part of the problem is that as much as the private sector does need to be reformed we cant count on the government to do that by any means of reasonable oversight because that would mean that they’re admitting to a solution that could work and takes them in the wrong direction.
The left keeps saying that “no one is talking about anything being taken away from you” Well, they dont have to talk about it, it will happen during the course if this sh*t gets passed.
The reason everyone has to have a public policy ? Its so they can get everyone as dependent on the fed as possible so they’ll have to vote dem to keep what they’ve got. Because come the next election, all your choices are going to be only what Obama has to offer. There will be no private anything, banks, autos, energy,and your health care.
That 43 or 49 million who need health care are noyt going to be enough to cover the votes they need come 2012.
August 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I, too, “ratted” myself out the other day. I expressed just exactly what I thought of all the Socialist proposals this Administration has made. I also forwarded it to many other people, just in case I disappeared in the middle of the night. I concluded my statements with”I am not alone and I am NOT afraid of you!” Of course, within 48 hours, my fairly new modem went out and had to be replaced. A coincidence?? Now, I know they do wear out on their own, but who knows what this Government is now capable of!!
August 19th, 2009 at 9:44 am
This is what the WhiteHouse.gov page says: There is a lot of misinformation being spread by defenders of the status quo. Find out what’s in health insurance reform for you, and what’s not in it at all.
And this is on the comment page: If you have questions about health insurance reform or suggestions on what topics we should address next, please let us know. Please refrain from submitting any individual’s personal information, including their email address, without their permission.
Not sure how you construed that as “rat on your neighbor” esp. given that you can’t send addresses. I do wish you would quit stirring up trouble. There is enough political turmoil over the REAL issues–you don’t need to make any others up…
August 21st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
we dont have a president…he’s not president….his real name is Barry….and he’s not even US native born….PERIOD!!! end of argument.
August 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pm
V.
As a 43 year resdient of Hawaii whos celebrating our 50th year of statehood today I can positively tell you the argument is over. But not the argument you think.
You do the republican party and conservatives no favors with your lunatic ramblings over somethng that has no bearing on the real isues we need to be focusing on.
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Pamela.
Thats not all the White house said.
You should really include everything in its complete context before you go accusing people of stirring up trouble.
“it posted a blog on Tuesday that asked supporters to e-mail any “fishy” information seen on the Web or received electronically to flag@whitehouse.gov.”
“There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there,” the blog said, adding that “since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help.”
Also, it doesnt say that this info, personal, email addres etc… wont be accepted. It just asks to refrain from submitting it.
Also, your very own ACLU says it wasnt such a good idea;
“The ACLU said in a statement to FOXNews.com that the White House blog is a “bad idea that could send a troublesome message.”
And then you have to look at the logic and ask why did the White house immediately take down the request after it was made clear what an idiotic move it was ?
August 24th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
1. Hundreds sent to jail without a trial…
2. Surveillance and eavesdropping on political dissenters…
3. Eighty thousand people ordered to report to Federal Agencies to be interviewed, fingerprinted, some incarcerated on the spot…
4. Enemies tortured by govt agents…
5. A leader who declares himself beyond the reach of the law…
Was this Hitler’s Germany? Communist East Germany? Is this our future under Obama?
No, these all things that happened during 8 years of Bush. Where was your outrage then? Save your whiny crying about “snitching” on crap posted on public websites. What a bunch of whiny crying babies you are.
References:
1http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008003387_detain18.html
2 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/politics/20fbi.html
3http://www.ice.gov/pi/specialregistration/
4http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6122483.ece
5http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/examples_of_the_presidents_signing_statements/
August 24th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Humble.
Thats real easy to put up in that context but its all been shot down a long time ago by my boy who was 12 at the time..
Seatlle, NYTs, Boston globe, the times on line…
I see you made sure you got a nice fair balance of sources there.
August 24th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
“On the other hand I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that for example at the CIA, you’ve got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don’t want them to suddenly feel like they’ve got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering.”
Barack Obama
This Week
Interview with George Stephanopoulos
January 2009
Sigh, another day, another Obama lie.
Humble, spare us all the grandstanding and the feigned outrage. If the dems really believed any of the garbage you are peddling they would have been screaming for an investigation by now. Since such an investigation will reveal the dems knowledge of what was happening, it won’t go very far.
The funny thing was when I read the first points of Humble’s post, I thought he was talking about Obama!!!!
“Where was your outrage then?”
Apparently its in the same place YOUR outrage is now about Obama’s actions. Really, I would love to see this “investigation” come off, I really would. It would produce absolutely nothing and guarantee that Obama’s criminal syndicate would be investigated after he’s done. Please, by all means, go on with your witch hunt!!
August 24th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Micky:
Even easier to claim rebuttal without rebutting.
Ken:
“If the dems really believed any of the garbage you are peddling they would have been screaming for an investigation by now.”
-which would imply my claims are not factual..?
“Since such an investigation will reveal the dems knowledge of what was happening, it won’t go very far.”
-which would imply my claims are indeed factual…?
First you must make up your mind about whether it is garbage or fact. If fact, you must acknowledge that. If garbage you must rebut. Absence of a factual rebuttal is admission on your part.
If you do neither, you are but a robot, merely parroting talking points and not worth engaging in discussion with.
Yes, most Democrats were complicit and/or cowardly in rolling over for the Bush Admin’s abuses of power.
“The funny thing was when I read the first points of Humble’s post, I thought he was talking about Obama!!!!”
Nice, grasshopper, now you’re catching on! Now tell me which of the 5 actions were executed by the Bush Administration, and which of the 5 by the Obama administration. Factual claims, and backed up by references. Think you can handle that?
August 24th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Humble;
“Even easier to claim rebuttal without rebutting.”
The rebutal is that your claims are not worthy of anything more than sensationalism or in lesser terms, BDS.
Seeing as how no one has ever been convicted of these percieved injustuces you’re really just flapping your gums, or fingers.
” Hundreds sent to jail without a trial…”
If you’re refering to the detainees its common knowledge that none were legally entiltled to any trail at the time.
“Surveillance and eavesdropping on political dissenters…”
Is that you calling them disenters ? Or are we refering to those who consorted with questionable overseas contacts ?
The homeland security wireless surveillance act was maintained with lesser restrictions till to this day by Obama whithin 1 month of his inauguration, along with renditions of suspects to God knows where.
” Eighty thousand people ordered to report to Federal Agencies to be interviewed, fingerprinted, some incarcerated on the spot…”
Hmm, you might want to be a little more clear as to what you’re talking about since I’m not about to dig thru your list of moonbat sources to find this out.
Might be nice if you actually connected your sources to the claims you’re trying to prove. Instead of expecting people to do a cursory hopscotch of sorts.
“Enemies tortured by govt agent ”
Good God, I should hope so.
” A leader who declares himself beyond the reach of the law”
In the context of Executive priveledge, yes.
As Ken has mentioned since theres really not been any convictions of any sorts to date hes absolutely correct in telling you to continue your little witch hunt. And until you do have verifiable fact wortthy of conviction its you whom until then will be the one unworthy of engaging in any discusion.
August 24th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
>”Hmm, you might want to be a little more clear as to what you’re talking about since I’m not about to dig thru your list of moonbat sources to find this out.”
If you could be troubled to glance at the references, you might have noticed the ice.gov link. Are you claiming a federal govt website is a moonbat link? Just how far out are you?
Maybe you should list some of your approved “news” sources. Or are you one of those FOX - Hannity - Rush - Beck - O’Reilly -Malkin - Coulter echo chamber guys? Any real factual sources in your list? Or just advocacy and spin, which is all those people really do (along with their similarly irritating left counterparts Olbermann and Maddow).
>Is that you calling them disenters ? Or are we refering to those who consorted with questionable overseas contacts ?
How about this, for starters:
“Then there’s San Franciscan Barry Reingold, who was awakened from his afternoon nap by a buzzing intercom on Oct. 23. He called down to the street to find out who it was. ‘The FBI,’ was the response. He buzzed the two men up, but decided to meet them in the hall. ‘I was a little bit shaken up,’ says Mr. Reingold. ‘I mean, why would the FBI be interested in me, a 60-year-old retired phone company worker?’ When they asked if he worked out at a certain gym, he realized the reason behind the visit. The gym is where he lifts weights — and expounds on his political views.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/716503/replies?c=59
Much longer list (with references to mainstream news sources) at:
http://ca-es.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=117068008319
I know, I know, reading is too much effort for you. You want everything handed to you on a spoon so you don’t have to think, right? Oh wait, that’s what FOX is for (and Olberman. And Maddow).
>” A leader who declares himself beyond the reach of the law”
>In the context of Executive priveledge, yes.
Fascinating. Then do you extend this same Executive Privilege to President Obama?
>since theres really not been any convictions of any sorts to date
Not a valid argument - everything Hitler did was legal.
> “Enemies tortured by govt agent ”
>Good God, I should hope so.
Crimes for which Nazis were prosecuted at Nuremberg.
>most of Obamas policies is about as close to WW2 Nazism as this country has ever gotten
So Micky, since you’re okay with:
-executive privilege (in essence, dictatorship)
-rounding up people not suspected of any crime for questioning and fingerprinting
-imprisonment without trial
-torture
But you see WW2 Nazism when the govt asks supporters to help flag false or misleading info on public websites…
Let me ask you: do you grasp what it was the Nazis were actually doing in WW2-era Germany?
You know, I kind of like you. Although you’re a little too easy.
August 24th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
“If you could be troubled to glance at the references, you might have noticed the ice.gov link. Are you claiming a federal govt website is a moonbat link? Just how far out are you?”
Still, I’ll repeat myself in a more clear manner. its not upon me to make your homework presentable and comprehendable.
And yes, if t you think there arent moonbat links supported by the fed dollars its you whos out there. All I have to do is refer you to the many propogandized sites erected by Obama in the name of pushing his policies
“Maybe you should list some of your approved “news” sources. ”
Maybe I dont have to list a damn thing since its you making the claims here which you leaves you in the position of having to prove your assertions.
You seem to mis the point here buddy.
You’re making claims of improper conduct being carried out by an administration that deserves “outrage”
Well, if its just your opinion that these acts were somehow outrageous then so be it. Take your opinion, as respectfully noted and scurry along.
If its prosecution you seek your case is weak and backed by nothing more that biased articles of heresay.
The rest of your crap is just that. You’re just looking to tango on some sort of semantic dance here while obfuscating to irrelevant issues so as to make you look like you got something going on.
EXAMPLE.
“Fascinating. Then do you extend this same Executive Privilege to President Obama? ”
What this has to do with past occurances on behalf of Bush has me at a loss.
I dont begrudge any president his executive powers if they are exercised with what I believe to be good judgement and you probably the same with any president of your liking.
So far I dont see you or anyone convicting Bush on any charge that he abused that power.
Do you ?
“Not a valid argument - everything Hitler did was legal.”
Yes, but who would you rather have executive priveledge ?
“Crimes for which Nazis were prosecuted at Nuremberg.”
Yeah well, if you think for some reason that Bush even approached anything resembling Nazis then you’re a sick POS.
I have 4 holocaust survivors in my family bub. Put a lid on your ridiculous bullsh*t
“most of Obamas policies is about as close to WW2 Nazism as this country has ever gotten”
Yup
You know, I kind of like you. Although you’re a little too easy.
You never proved your point.
As I said, I’ve had this debate many times before and dont feel like obliging you unless we can pick up where the trail leaves off at which is that so far theres been no convictions or “actionable intelligence”
More than likely your little witch hunt will render nothing more than some actions committed by a few stupid individuals that I just know your kind would love to hold Bush accountable for.
The other stupid individuals without a doubt will be the Nancy Pelosis and Harry Reids who cant remember what it was they supported when.
“Let me ask you: do you grasp what it was the Nazis were actually doing in WW2-era Germany?”
More than you will ever know, bub. And it all looks alot more like what Obama is doing than it ever will Bush.
August 25th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Humble,
“-which would imply my claims are not factual..?”
Yes. What you are witnessing is a political circus. They need to distract the public from Obama’s disasterous presidency. What bette way than drudging up some ol’ Bush tactics. By the way, these “accusations” were already investigated years ago and no charges were made. Why reinvestigate them?
“-which would imply my claims are indeed factual…?”
Not at all. It implies that you are falling for Obama’s tactics. Quite willingly, it would seem.
“If you do neither, you are but a robot, merely parroting talking points and not worth engaging in discussion with.”
Funny I was about to say the same thing to you, since you sound like the front page of the Huffington Post or Daily Kos. Do you get your talking points from them daily?
“Nice, grasshopper, now you’re catching on! Now tell me which of the 5 actions were executed by the Bush Administration, and which of the 5 by the Obama administration. Factual claims, and backed up by references.”
Happy to.
“1. Hundreds sent to jail without a trial…”
I’m assuming by your dramatic “hundreds locked up without a trial” mantra you are referring to the Guantanamo Bay terrorists. I guess you haven’ t heard that Obama has hundreds of detainees locked up in Afghanistan and is refusing to grant them constitutional rights:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/obama-backs-bush-on-bagra_n_168766.html
“WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.”
I quoted the Huffington Post, just for you! So why is it ok to hold someone in prison while denying them constitutional rights when Obama is president, hmmm?
“2. Surveillance and eavesdropping on political dissenters…”
I am assuming this is referring to the FBI keeping tabs on protest groups during the Bush administration. Well, it turns out that the FBI did the same thing to the “Tea party” protesters:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/source-fbi-spied-on-tea-party-protesters-nationwide.html
“The FBI were spying on Tea Party protesters nationwide during last week’s demonstrations as part of a covert program conducted without the knowledge of local law enforcement, according to a source named as a current FBI agent.”
It may surprise you to know that I have no problem with the FBI conducting surveillance on the tea party protesters OR the ones who protested Bush during his administration. I think that they should.
“3. Eighty thousand people ordered to report to Federal Agencies to be interviewed, fingerprinted, some incarcerated on the spot…”
I read your ice link and I don’t know where you get 80,000 people interviewed, fingerprinted or incarcerated. A little less drama please. What I did read from YOUR link was this:
“Those who fall under the second category – nonimmigrants – must also adhere to the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS) also known as Special Registration, put in place after September 11, 2001, to keep track of those entering and leaving our country in order to safeguard U.S. citizens and America’s borders.”
Oh my gosh, keeping track of immigrants who enter and leave the country, the horror, the horror!!!!! So I assume that Obama, naturally, has ended this special registration program, right? I mean, since its so evil, Obama would never continue such a thing, right? There are reasons they want to keep track of people entering and leaving the country so much. Here’s one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542381,00.html
“Somali Militants Lure Americans for Recruitment”
“4.Enemies tortured by govt agents…”
I think this argument boils down to what you consider torture. Loud music, sitting naked in cold rooms, threatening with power tools, etc. is not torture and has been around for a long time, even before the eeeeeeeevil Bush! Most of this argument boils down to waterboarding. A total of 3 people were waterboarded and information was gained that helped stop attacks. That’s a fact.
Here is an article, with good documentation, that talks all about waterboarding. Now, I acknowledge that this article is more of an opinion, but it states the argument very well:
http://www.silentmajority09.com/2009/04/waterboarding-is-not-torture.html
My favorite paragraph is when they talk about how waterboarding is used in military training for its recruits. Observe:
“Indeed, how could training inflicted on our own service men and women constitute torture. If these “techniques” resulted in any lasting physical or mental side effects would they be used on our own?”
I have a feeling that on this issue we will not be able to agree. I did read your link and I think my favorite part was how the interrogators are fearful of prosecution even after B.O.’s promise of immunity. They know he’s a liar as well.
It might also be worth mentioning that “rendition”, the act of snatching terrorist suspects and then outsourcing their interrogations to other countries with poor human rights records began under Bill Clinton. Where was your outrage then? That’s even more proof that this is nothing but a witch hunt designed to be a distractions. If we are going to investigate Bush, then we must investigate Clinton.
“5.A leader who declares himself beyond the reach of the law…”
I wasn’t aware tha this had happened. I read your link and I saw where it mentioned “signing statements”. I guess you haven’t heard of this yet:
http://washingtonindependent.com/54383/controversy-grows-over-obama-signing-statements
“Despite President Obama’s previous criticism of former President George W. Bush’s “signing statements” that limit the president’s responsibility to comply with a bill passed by Congress, it turns out Obama has been doing much the same thing since he took office. Charlie Savage reported in The New York Times on Sunday that Obama has issued “dozens” of signing statements that allow him to bypass specific provisions of congressional legislation the president doesn’t like.”
Ouch!!!! Well, since it looks like Obama has done much of the same things as Bush, backed up with references I might add, it looks like you have been exposed as the typical liberal hypocrite. Will you demand an investigation of Obama now? Somehow I doubt it.
Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you, champ.
August 25th, 2009 at 7:36 am
ICE is a federal level agency started by Bush. The Special Registration policy was created and enacted in 2002. The ICE website has had that info posted on it since then. Obama had nothing to do with it.
Executive power and Executive Privilege are two different subjects. Executive power is what all presidents have. Executive Privilege states that the president may ignore any law he does not agree with, which is in direct violation of the Law and the Constitution in it’s separation of powers doctrine (those checks and balances you learned about in elementary school). John Adams said famously that the USA was “a nation of laws not men” which set it apart from the world’s monarchies and dictatorships, and changed the world forever. That’s the proud history this country inherits, as a democracy where Law rules over all. Bush claimed to the contrary that he was beyond the reach of the Law, which puts him back in the company of the monarchs and dictators of history. If you don’t understand this, ask any 7th grader, they would be happy to explain it to you.
Thanks Micky,
I’ve proved all my points, with supporting evidence and links. You have rebutted nothing. If you doubt that, go to the top of the thread and review my initial points.
I’m done here. You can return to your echo chamber and whine about Obama’s “Nazi behavior” to your heart’s content.
August 25th, 2009 at 8:34 am
“I’m done here.”
You certainly are.
Buh-bye.
August 25th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Thanks Micky,
“I’ve proved all my points, with supporting evidence and links.”
All you did was repeat them by using articles that reflect the same suspicions and positions. The only thing you proved was that theres a media that carries some of your talking points. Your contempt for Bush was made evident. But you proved nothing other than that. Any fool can find articles that reflect and ask the same things.
I could post a million links right now that carry arguments and accounts supporting my theory that Obama is a communist/Nazi.
Will it of proved that I’m right ? No, all it can do is drive and compel my case to the point that you either believe it or you dont.
“You have rebutted nothing. If you doubt that, go to the top of the thread and review my initial points.”
Are you high ?, If you scroll up you’ll see that a good part of them were refuted/rebuted and dealt with, some were just to ridiculous to bother with. But hey, I tell you what, I’ll bite a little, more important things have been dealt with for now and I think I can squeeze you in.
“Hundreds sent to jail without a trial…”
The refutal to this was made above;
If you’re refering to the detainees its common knowledge that none were legally entiltled to any trial at the time. These people were rounded up for being engaged on a battle field, making themselves look like the enemy, out of uniform, applying allegiance only to an ideology, so we captured them fair and square.
Nazis rounded people up simply for their religion, defects and/or because they were Jews.
“Surveillance and eavesdropping on political dissenters…”
This one caught me off guard since you could call either the tea protestors or the many contrary voices calling over seas “dissenters”. Be it some of them are not even Americans.
Either way, these surveillances were done under the rule of law and without trying to piggy back on Kens response my personal opinion is that I should hope so, but when the Dept. Of Homeland Security goes as far to issue warnings that paint everyday dissenters like Ken, you, and myself as terrorists weve got bigger problems than simple legal surveillance, wouldnt you say ?
Or how bout those clowns that were running around taking pledges for Obamas economic policies when really they were jusy gathering info ?
Or how about Obama wanting to move the census into the White house ? Or coming up with something like 40 Czars all accountable to no one ?
Dont you find that rather spooky ? Wheres your outrage ?
“Eighty thousand people ordered to report to Federal Agencies to be interviewed fingerprinted, some incarcerated on the spot”
Even Ken had to leave it up to guess work that illegal aliens is what you were refering to. Which is why I asked if you could perform the comon courtesy most bloggers provide when the post and that is to place the claim and source backing it (supposedly) together
How very tricky of you to not make clear exactly who you were talking about.
Which I suspected from the beggining made evident by my first reply to you on that subject.
” Enemies tortured by govt agents ”
Once again, I should hope its govt agents and not Girl Scouts doing the torturing and yes, I dont care if its Obama or Bush doing the torturing ( I assume you’re talking about having to wear pink and being waterboarded) These methods have been proven to work and there is no documentation showing that Obama himself one day is prevented from returning to using these techniques himself.
” A leader who declares himself beyond the reach of the law…”
Executive priveledge/power, same smell. They both give him the abilty to circumvent the system based on his personal judgement. I answered this above already also.
So there you have it, your initial points were refuted. But I’ll tell you what, I’ll make your day and grant you the many examples that make Obamas administration more like WW2 Nazi Germany than anything this country has ever seen.
Much like WW2 Nazis Obama has asked that any e mails suspected of promoting organization against his policies be flagged to the White house. (Lets not forget those who were recieving unsolicited e mails from the white house)
In the case with my mother and grandmother, they were squeeled on to the Nazis by their neighbors for sympathizing with Swedish, Danish, and american soldiers. They were raided by the Nazis and caught with allied troops in their closet. They were raped, beaten, locked up and tattoed.
Never before has any administration asked for what Obama is asking for. If you’ll notice, the implications of such requests sent such a terrible message that oozed of communism the site and requests were quickly redacted.
WERENT THEY MR. PIE ????
Instituting and making socialized medicine or Obamacare ( call it whatever the hell you want) law in our country is in fact one of the tools Hitler used to gain control of the masses and establish data banks on just about everyone. Thereby making it that much easier to determine who is in requirement of an “end of life counseling ”
In those days it was called ” compulsory national health insurance ”
And yes, today, just like during that era we are being “compelled” to have this insurance whether we like it or not !
Socialized healthcare was the one single tool that gave Hitler the majority of his power and the ability to launch his programs of eugenics, mercy killings and selective breeding. He used research derived from this socialized medicine to make the case for Aryan superiority
Economic policies
Hitler’s policies so that he might justify the destruction of the capitalist system, elimination of personal property rights, and to excuse away giving dictatorial power to an all encompassing government juggernaut here in the US. He so dearly wants the Keynesian theory to be the right one that he is willing to turn his face from genocide and world war to prove his wishes beneficial to man.
More than any other country, Germany — Nazi Germany — then set out on a serious stimulus program. The government built up the military, expanded the autobahn, put up stadiums for the 1936 Berlin Olympics and built monuments to the Nazi Party across Munich and Berlin.
Germany became finacial giant right before WW2 by stealing personal property and wealth fromminorities which Obama could easly do with some of the housing and lending policies weve seen that could one day remand those properties to the state and business owners much like what Obama has done wirth a couple policies such as dictating CEO pay, who companies can retain on payrolls and remanding them to the state also if they dont fall in line. Thats what happens in countries that are falling apart and have too much at stake in an individuals private property. Like Germany, the people stand a chance with Obama of loosing their rights and properties to the fed. As hard up as he is for money right now it wouldnt surprise me if he tried such a move all in the interest of the masses.
Czars assigned to every dept that are accountable to no oozes of a Nazi doctrine.
I could go on but I’m pretty sure that anyone with any sense of history or logic could see that Obama actions reflect that of WW2 Nazis on a much larger scale th anything Bush could of done. In comparison to Obama its safe to say that many of the policies you question carried by Bush were inacted to keep us safe.
Wheras with Obama, its all for power thats rooted and veiled in some bullsh*t desire for the betterment of the country and of course to cover his a$$.
I’d love for you to tell me how any of what hes doing is going to make us any safer, richer, healthier or more free.
“I’m done here. You can return to your echo chamber and whine about Obama’s “Nazi behavior” to your heart’s content.”
And you can go back to making claims and accusations that have yet to be proved
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
As a Historian the past several months have scared the bejesus outa me. I see comparisions between what is happening now with many other situations in war torn countries throughout the past several centuries.
Im pretty sure people can name a few of these comparisions on thier own so I will not bother reiterating them here.
I see what made America the country that it was (notice the past tense used here?) being cast to the wayside and replaced with the very things America itself has fought against for all of its short bright life.
This saddens me to no end and I fear for the future. Indepth study of history and cultures leads one to understand that in every nation there MUST be change and growth or it will stagnate and die. Sometimes this takes a short period and at others a long agonizing death.
We are at a crossroads from what I can forsee. We NEED to grow and make changes, however, the changes I see are not typically associated with a positive social impacts.
These are from small decisions that cause damage (suh as NYC no longer being the finacial powerhouse of the world) to massive impact situations (such as socialistic health care).
I do not belive these measures are thought through to its fullest degree and the impact of todays decisions are going to be of import for many generations to come.
It appears that a small but irrefutable fact has been forgotten any and every action will have an equal reaction. What people need to do is sit back and actually think about the posative and negative impacts of these decisions and what will benifit America as a whole in the most positive light.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:10 am
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