obamacare’s death panels
August 12, 2009
when sarah palin used the term ‘death panels’ to describe obamacare’s rationing of services and end of life counseling, the left went ballistic. i do admit that i myself winced, but as i thought about it a wee bit more and studied HR 3200, i saw how she actually put her finger on the fear that most americans are feeling right now over this hot mess that obama is trying to shove down our throats.
and frankly, it doesn’t matter what the left says, the truth is that under obamacare, goverment will be involved in end-of-life decisions.
keep this in mind: the goal of government-run health care aka ‘obamacare’ is to provide insurance to everyone while simultaneously holding down medical costs - which is utterly laughable coming from this bloated administration! a huge program like obamacare like this doesn’t just happen on it’s own. decisions on how it will run will have to be made.
so who will be making those decisions about us and our healthcare? well, the ones paying the bills of course — obama’s handpicked bureaucratic panel of appointees. keep in mind, this is already happening in oregon where i live, called The Oregon Health Plan. and the results? controversial and frankly horrible.
yes. the majority of health care expenses occur at the end of life and they can be astronomical, sometimes devastating families financially. currently, these decisions - which are difficult, emotional, and personal - are made by individuals, their families, and their doctors. if we apply the obamacare goal, a way to cut costs would be to make centralized decisions such as this formula:
the necessity of a procedure x the longevity of the person x the cost = a decision made by the government appointees.
it really is a ‘death panel’ of sorts, because if the goal is to cut costs, death is cheaper then life.
now factor in this: paybacks and perks of interest groups who lobby those in power. is it unreasonable to believe that those with the most political power will push the panel to make certain choices and decisions? will they follow politically correct rules and personal bias? clearly, it is unthinkable to have a small group of people making life and death decisions for millions.
barack obama is completely tone deaf and the left in this country have totally underestimated average americans who have stopped screaming at their TV’s every night and instead are coming out in protest of obamacare. and the obama administration? they just don’t get the depth of feeling and anger on this issue, and the fundamental belief that this represents that ‘irreversible shift’ in what it means to be an american.
we could really use a zombie churchill about now.
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August 12th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Oh no! I wonder if the “Whine” flu is covered!!!! What’s a “Zombie Churchill”? You obsess over zombies don’t you?
August 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
HAHAHAHA! The rightwingers really hate that the rules of the game have changed and a black man is in charge of our country. When they yell at these prefab townhall brawls “I want my country back!” they really are saying that they are afraid they can’t push their fat, gluttenous, and entitled way to the front of the line anymore just because they are white. Healthcare for everyone!
August 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I went to my town hall meeting. There was anger but no violence. There is no doubt that FEAR is at the heart of many of the protesters at these meetings. However, it is my humble opinion that many of these folks are being manipulated by others. Others with not such an innocent agenda! They certainly do not have the best interests of all these seasoned citizens at heart! Just as the Bush people manipulated and controlled people with fear, this latest desperate GOP crowd along with their talking radio heads are doing the same thing only with anger. Both are exceedingly wrong, but the latter, anger, can become lethal turning into violent rage!!! People need to get in control. It needs to be stopped now and congress needs to pull it together to pass healthcare reform the first week back from break.
August 12th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Well I certainly think Palin could have phrased it a little bit better. However, essentially she is right. Government will have a say so in the quality and quantity of health care that is given, especially to the elderly, you cannot deny that.
It’s amazing that ANYONE can actually think government getting involved in something is going to make it better. I’m not sure what plane of reality some of these people live on.
Of course, it wouldn’t be a thread without the resident trolls accusing “Racism!” or another pointless comment by some others. I see Jared and Shealah have that part covered, thanks!!!!
Government run health care will be a disaster, plain and simple. It’s amazing how this has electrified a lot of average citizens.
August 12th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Amen Kate.
I find the story of Barbara Wagner almost to horrible to comprehend. The part that bothers me the most is that someone thought offering this lady no hope except a $50 pill and a doctor to watch her assisted suicide was the right thing to do. I’m wondering if that same person would have made the same decision if it had been his or her mother, sister, or aunt.
“Treatment of advanced cancer that is meant to prolong life, or change the course of this disease, is not a covered benefit of the Oregon Health Plan.” This was in the letter to Ms Wagner. But isn’t this what treatment is, prolonging life with the hope of changing the course of a disease. Ms. Wagner had been in remission once. Why then was she not afforded the chance again?
August 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Once again what does he being half black have to do with anything. GROW the hell up.
August 12th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Shealah,
Are you nuts?
Ask any conservative if they would vote against Janice Rogers Brown, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas (or any other black man or woman that isn’t a GD Marxist) for POTUS. You wish it was about racism, rather than your vile political ideology, which btw, is decidedly un-American.
And not for nothing but you filthy collectivists have turned accusations of racism into parody. In doing so, you do a disservice to actual victims of racism (not that you care).
…congress needs to pull it together to pass healthcare reform the first week back from break.
No, they really don’t. Unless it contains the following:
* Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs)
* Equalize the tax laws so that that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.
* Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines.
* Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.
* Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost.
* Enact Medicare reform.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html
August 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
jared no i don’t think whine flu is covered under obamcare so you better go to the doctor now hon.
sheleah: please take your racist arse somewhere else. we have enough moonbats here, thanks.
betts: your buddy’s feckless plan intends to harm me, my family, people i love, all of us. take the blinders off and read it for yourself.
rope: yep, barbara has an amazing tale. god help us.
macghil: well said - especially the ‘filthy collectivists’ line! i’m stealing it. heh.
August 12th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Oh what a lying crock of sh*t! The anger and fear people have is based on the ginned up lies by right-wing blogs, Drudge, the idiot talk radio freaks, and people like Limbaugh, Ann Colter and Michelle Malkins.
If people are going to be stupid enought to be susceptible to these outrageous lies they should at least be able to articulate their fears. It seems all they can do is talk about “tyranny”, “reeducation camps”, and “killing grandmothers”. Blinders? Pull the redwood tree out of your own first.
August 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
“Oh what a lying crock of sh*t!”
So intelligent Paul! You really outdid yourself with that one!!
What I don’t understand are the libs who do not seem to realize that this is true. Government will have a say so in end of life decisions. That is not debatable folks. I cannot figure out what these neo-socialists are thinking.
It’s amazing the blind loyalty they have to B.O. No matter what he says or does they go along with. They don’t need facts or truth, all they need is B.O. to tell them.
Quite pathetic, actually.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Leave Shealeah alone. There IS racism involved here. Not that all conservatives are racist, or that all people who object to the health care plan are racist imo. But there is a strong underlying racism-based current running here especially when all the townhall screamers start to yelling about immigration. To deny that makes you passively supportive of it.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
You are welcome to it! Paglia’s “soulless collectivism” is also a keeper (and so much more from her latest piece, which is pure gold).
Obama’s healthcare horror
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/print.html
Democrats are the party of children, whose notions “that federal experts can plan to ensure the people’s welfare was a ridiculous projection of childish fantasies—’a mother’s boy economic program with a kind maternal government taking care of everybody out of an inexhaustible income drawn from mysterious sources.’”
–Isabel Patterson (The God of the Machine)
More here on ObamaCare, death panels, and the progressives’ (a misnomer if I ever saw one) glorious eugenicists:
No American can ever say they didn’t know…
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2009/08/no-american-can-ever-say-they-didnt.html
August 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
macghil i read paglia faithfully including that article you referenced. i think i even linked it in my post.
jane i am not interested in paying for obamacare for illegal aliens in my country. and jane? that does not make me a racist. your argument is a strawman. it’s fake and feckless and defamatory.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
…especially when all the townhall screamers start to yelling about immigration.
Illegal immigrants rank higher on the ObamaCare food chain than grandmothers and grandfathers - black ones even.
Even that’s not about race. It’s about non-citizens’ health care taking precedence over actual citizens who were forced to pay into the SS/Medicare system their whole lives, and then told they have to die sooner for the good of the collective.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
“Leave Shealeah alone. There IS racism involved here.”
Please explain Jane. Where is your proof of racism? Because someone doesn’t want to be for an illegal immigrants health care makes you racist?
I realize that the racism card is all you’ve ever had, but even for you, this is pretty desperate.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Paul said:If people are going to be stupid enought to be susceptible to these outrageous lies they should at least be able to articulate their fears.
You mean like the lie the one told about AARP?
Webster may have to redefine the word, its now called misspoke.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
“Webster may have to redefine the word, its now called misspoke.”
I thought the definition of a lie was: “Obama said today”
August 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Wrong and the truth hurts like hell for you guys. There is racism involved here in the so-called outrage we are seeing all over the place. Where do you think that comes from? They (and you) hate that we have a black president. And I’d like to know where these screaming assholes were when Shrub was stomping the Constitution to death right before our eyes with the Patriot Act, secret wiretaps, firing Democratic Justice Attorneys, and on and on. All of a sudden these people at townhalls LOVE THE CONSTITUTION and the rule of law but they sure didn’t when we were on the brink of a dictatorship with Darth and his lap dog Shrub!
If the people at these townhalls are stupid enough to believe the GOP lies that’s their problem. I really don’t care anyway because they are ignorant corporate tools and racists, not patriots, and should be dismissed as the hateful, stupid, lying, enemies of doing what’s right for the country.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
macghil i read paglia faithfully including that article you referenced. i think i even linked it in my post.
You did! So sorry I missed it!
August 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
“And I’d like to know where these screaming assholes were when Shrub was stomping the Constitution to death right before our eyes with the Patriot Act, secret wiretaps, firing Democratic Justice Attorneys, and on and on.”
Hey genius, Obama has kept most of the surveillance and intelligence policies of the Bush administration. So, is HE trampling the constitution? God you people really are clueless.
Seriously Paul, can you make a post relevant to the topic and doesn’t contain profanity?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I’m sick of seeing all these ridiculous old people squalling like brats on my TV. I am sick of hearing how scared people are that there will be “death panels” and “euthenasia” and “socialism on steroids” under Barack. If people are scared, get a fricken dog and quit trying to hyjack healthcare for America.
Macghil who the hell are you to come in here and smart off? Geez.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Ken the Cop. You the hall monitor now too?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Maybe “Village Idiot” will be a death panel catagory. Cuz I got some names to submit starting with Pennie.
Katy no more Kathy Griffin please. She scares the hell outta me.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
“Ken the Cop. You the hall monitor now too?”
Nah, I’m just enjoying watching the left flounder around like a fish out of water. I find it priceless that you can’t argue any point. Look at your post Pennie, its a perfect example. You don’t argue a point, you just tell people to be quiet.
You chide Macghil and ask “Who the hell are you to come in here and smart off?” then ask me if I’M the hall monitor.
Oh, my sides.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Anybody here happen to see The Daily Show with John Stewart last night? If not, you should have. There was a discussion about you crazies yelling, “I want my country back!” and someone said “yeah, tell that to the Indians!”. Nothing but pure wisdom from The Daily Show.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
“Nothing but pure wisdom from The Daily Show.”
Indeed, as most liberals view The Daily Show as “the news”. And people wonder why you guys are so lost.
I swear you just can’t make this stuff up!!!!!
August 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I’m sick of seeing all these ridiculous old people squalling like brats on my TV.
Jesus Pennie. You should recognize the behavior - it’s what your side did for the past 8 years.
They aren’t squalling like brats - they are taking advantage of their First Amendment rights, and holding their elected officials accountable. They have a right to express their opinions in a public forum in front of the people whose salaries they pay.
Just wait until you are 65 Pennie; under Obamacare your doctor will start talking to you about end-of-life decisions. God forbid you get sick at any age, but especially after the age of 65. Then your doctor will be making decisions about what treatment you get based on your age and how much useful life you may have left.
People are scared. Most Americans - and I have to believe you are one of them - like to have a choice in healthcare. Obamacare will take away that choice.
And please don’t spout off about how we don’t want people who don’t have healthcare to never have it. I think we all agree that our healthcare system needs to be reformed.
Why does that reform have to be so extreme?
August 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I’m sick of seeing all these ridiculous old people squalling like brats on my TV.
You are so compassionate penni, maybe when you get older the one will have given your family a way to deal with you.
Watch it Macgil Penni can’t debate an issuse, but she can sure tell ya how stupid you are and how popular the one is in the polls, how goodlooking he is, and what a rockstar he is. You know all the important things one needs to run a country.
August 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
“Look at your post Pennie, its a perfect example. You don’t argue a point, you just tell people to be quiet.”
Unlike you Ken and all the other Shrub-bots , I am not here to argue a point. I am here to stand in opposition to you all and to give my opinion. “It’s STILL a free country” right? Now be quiet Ken.
August 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
“Just wait until you are 65 Pennie; under Obamacare your doctor will start talking to you about end-of-life decisions.”
Kris and what’s so bad about that? Helllooooooo? THEY DO THAT NOW!!!!!!!
August 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
“I am sick of hearing how scared people are that there will be “death panels” and “euthenasia” and “socialism on steroids” under Barack.”
well pennie first of all its good you are sick NOW instead of later because you can get prompt medical attention if you need it.
secondly you think death panels, euthanasia, and socialism are simply scare tactics? no pennie. i live in oregon. we have had a state funded medical plan that is grossly bloated but serves few who really need it (like the working poor). we also have the distinction of being the first state in our union to have physician assisted suicide and i have linked in my post the story of a woman here in oregon who was denied cancer drugs because they were too expensive by our state run medical plan but they did offer her the suicide cocktail. there are many other stories like that here pennie.
and pennie, can you get more socialistic in the US then say, oregon?? we are home to the spotted owl and environmental tree huggers who rule this state with an iron fist at the peril of good jobs and quality of life for average people who just want to live their lives.
get real pennie because if you don’t, you will be sadly - devastatingly - disappointed.
August 13th, 2009 at 4:50 am
As a mother of a child with disabilities Palin has every right to be concerned when you look at examples in history dictating how and why these “choices” were made based on some form of eugenics and population control disguised as compassion which determined whos right to life superceeds another.
I’ve always been suspicious of this offshoot bitch of environmentalism called the Church of Euthanasia. Google it, these people are off the freeking deep end SICK !!!. The founding reasoning behind their movement/cause can be very adapted to work in cahoots with Obamacare and the green movement.
These people believe seriously that we should shorten our life spans dramatically, use radical methiods of abortion and birth control, hurry along death sentences by shortening appeals processes. They’re nuckin futs.
When I heard Obama say that Mom would be better off taking the pain killers and that her surgery may not be helpful my mind right away went to trying to make the connection between this Church of Euthanasia, or those who think like them and Obamacare.
Then Glenn Beck did a special much in line with what I was thinking a couple days ago.
BECK: Well, let me ask you, R.J. I mean, historically, what has — wasn’t — didn’t the, what was it, the T4 project over in Germany. Are you familiar with the T4 project? Is anybody familiar with that? I think it’s the T4 project. It was the baby — I think it was “Baby Knauer,” was a horribly crippled, blind, deaf, I think, didn’t have two limbs out of four. They said it was going to be a horrible life. The parents said, “Please, doctors, please put him out of his misery,” and Hitler came to the forefront and said, “I will do it.” It started as compassionate, and then it went awry.
The green movement believes in a lesser population, right ?
And Obamacare could be just the device the green movement needs to make something like a functioning form of population control a reality, right ?
They could disguise there motives behing the euthanization of kids like Palins as compassionate.
So yeah, I dont blame Palin one bit when you look back at what the Nazis and Hitler did with their brand of health care and then toss that menatllity in with the green movement we have today and all the other ridiculous ideas that liberals have.
“you’ll be doing it for the planet and out of compassion because he wont live the right kind of life anyway.”
Actually, they’ll be doing it because they just cant afford to keep what they determine to be lesser forms of life alive.
The government rations funds for every program its ever had. What makes moonbats think socialized healthcare will be any different.
Dont forget General Electric, another big component of the green movement who will no doubt be getting the contracts to not only make our solar panels, batteries, appliance, windmills etc. They’ll also be making a lot of the equipment hospitals and doctors use.
Its all one big perfect storm but without healthcare Obama cant gey the whole thing to come together. Thsta why he needs this health care bill so damn badly and it has not a thing to do with him caring about your health or getting you insured.
Its all about power.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Pennie;
“Unlike you Ken and all the other Shrub-bots , I am not here to argue a point. I am here to stand in opposition to you all and to give my opinion. “It’s STILL a free country” right? Now be quiet Ken.
By standing in opposition you “ARE” arguing a point !
But in order to be able to “stand and remain” in opposition you have to drive your point home.
It does you no good to drop a comment in opposition if someone is just going to come along and refute it right away. Such as everyone has done to you so far. It puts you right back where you started
You need to rebut the refutal, have a back and forth so as to render the conversation down to its raw basic elements, weeding out the BS, bringing out the truth. Which if you think is in your favor you’d do everything to find it, right ?
All you ever do is leave yourself looking stupid because you wont engage in the back and forth.
The way you’d like to have it, which is plainly evident, is to just drop your nonsense and then tell everyone to accept it and shut up.
You cant be an effective opposition unless you take apart the opponents argument.
That is what you’re incapable of doing and you try to disguise your inability with this BS that your snide idiotic comments have some effect as an opposition. Well they dont.
When you don’t return to refute the rebuttal you leave yourself looking like the loser who has no answer to overcome what just shredded your statement.
You’re like the chickensh*t concieded little cheerleader who thinks her 15 minutes of fame are whats going to win the game.
If you really had a good case for your messiah you’d be in the game, driving it home. And you dont, which can only mean one of two things. Obamas case is week , or you’re really not too bright. I’m leaning towards both
And then you solidify claims to your idiocy and reaffirm everything by telling Ken to be quiet.
Autocratic dictative people are weak and feeble people who are unable to clarify to those why they should listen and follow without seeming selfish or of ulterior motives. They are well aware of the argument against them but dont care to hear the other side because they really dont care about democracy or fairness.
The are so wrapped up in themselves and so narcissistic that they believe theres no one on an intellectual plain that could possibly understand them.
This is why we see people like you, Al Gore and other liberals who shut down the discussion and just say “silence, the debate is over, there is no debate”.
They either dont have what it takes, or they’re wrong
We dont need your crap in this country
August 13th, 2009 at 5:41 am
“Unlike you Ken and all the other Shrub-bots , I am not here to argue a point.”
YES!!!!! Finally an admission!!! Thanks Pennie!!!
“It’s STILL a free country” right? Now be quiet Ken.”
Once again you contradict yourself…..and in the same sentence!!! You talk about how it is a free country, then tell me to be quiet. Oh man, that’s beautiful.
“I am here to stand in opposition to you”
And you are doing such a wonderful job, telling people to be quiet.
I actually feel bad for Pennie. Watching her trying to have a discussion with someone is like watching an animal get tortured.
The bottom line is, people don’t want THIS reform. Whether the libs like it or not, THEY are in the minority in this fight. For years we kept hearing about how Bush was “going against the will of the people”, yet now those same libs tell us to shut up and sit down. That’s probably not gonna happen neo-sociaists, sorry.
August 13th, 2009 at 6:18 am
People’s style of commenting on blogs are far and wide. So what Micky if someone doesn’t do it the way YOU do it or want them to do it. It’s part of free speech - protected even - and you don’t have the right to kwell that. You don’t have to like it but don’t try to supress her style of free speech.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Since you’re such a champion of free speech Joshua, do you have any comment on Pennie telling people to be quiet?
August 13th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Ken I suspect PenniePan is a plant whether pais or unpaid. zBut an idiot for sure. My point is that Micky wants people to debate his way and becomes belligerent when they don’t. Equally bad imo and serves no purpose in furthering debate.
August 13th, 2009 at 7:31 am
BTW I have read the blog for a long time but rarely comment. I do enjoy studying some of the frequent commenters. I do seem to remember PenniePan saying before the election that she “works on behalf of the DNC”. I think she is union and amybe rece ives some sort of compensation for her “online work”. She admits to doing this on a number of blogs.
August 13th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Joshua, the point is that while Pennie says shes standing in opposition by saying the things she says the way she says them shes actually not “STANDING” in opposition when she doesnt make her point “STAND”
When say sh*t and just bail like she does you’re not “STANDING”. Shes just making a worthless deposit.
Besides that, almost all the crap she says is of a personal nature or has little to nothing to do with the topic. She onlys stands in opposition to the ideology, but cant for the life of her explain why she opposes its policies.
I believe its because shes incapable of being either a liberal or a conservative but more or less just likes the idea of irresponsibility and free stuff.
I dont want anyone to debate “my way”. But I’m real fond of having my intelligence insulted by morons who tell us that they’re bring opposition when all they’re doing is taking cheap high school level pot shots that are irrekevant in nature
I debate/argue/bring opposition in hopes of convincing my opposition they are wrong. Any one who thinks that to begin with a one liner about how conservatives are retards or some comment about my grammar is going to change my mind is an idiot and cannot be taken seriously when saying they stand in opposition.
I never told her to shut up, be quiet or not to post so spare me this BS assertion of yours that I somehow am saying her speech is not worthy of being free. Seems like since shes the one always telling everyone to shut up your efforts would be served aimed at her, dontchathink ?
I know this much, if I were of any authority or leadership in the democratic party I’d haul her off on the side and tell her shes not helping with her content and presentation in mocking the “Downs” children of a certain candidate or my cancer just to bring pain and grief to that party and person. With that in mind I highly doubt they pay her anything but to go away, and maybe, be quiet.
Free speech like all our rights comes with responsibility. But since when did liberals care about that ?
Now, lets see, weve got brown shirts going door to door taking notes on who supported Obamas economic policies.
The White House trying to take control of the census.
A heathcare system that would give the fed all kinds of access to all our personal data.
A healthcare system that will undoubtedly ration care like the government does everything.
Trying to do away with the secret ballot.
Obama
” hmm well Mr. Micky, I see you were in favor of my economic policies, voted for the union, signed up for Obamacare and voted for me in the last election. Tell you what, as a token of my appreciation, your Mom gets to live and you get to have not one, but “two” kids. And well just keep aborting them till you get the one you want”
August 13th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Ken I am not trying to be an elitist about free speech. I am simply protecting an idiots right to spout off so that my right to spout is protected as well.
Micky, again, you are trying to persuade someone to debate in your style. It’s not going to happen so why put everyone else who reads here through this time and time again? I think you make some awesome points. I also think you are current and stay informed but sometimes your message gets lost in the bluster.
Just simply voicing an observation.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Joshua.
I’m no trying to persuade anyone to do anything.
I’d like for you to point out to me where you see this happening.
I’m making a point, not trying to make anyone do anything, do you know the difference ?
I dont care how Pennie drives her point. But dont tell me you’re standing in opposition when quite frankly everything you say doesnt stand period.
Free speech doesnt mean that just because you say something its automatically true. And my pointing it out doesnt mean I’m trying to tell you what to do or how.
I dont give a sh*t how you converse or make your point but dont tell me you’re standing in opposition to the policies I believe in when 99.9% of the time anything you say has nothing to do with it.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Micky I think you just made my point (again). You want people to debate in your style of debate. See below.
It does you no good to drop a comment in opposition if someone is just going to come along and refute it right away. Such as everyone has done to you so far. It puts you right back where you started
You need to rebut the refutal, have a back and forth so as to render the conversation down to its raw basic elements, weeding out the BS, bringing out the truth. Which if you think is in your favor you’d do everything to find it, right ?
All you ever do is leave yourself looking stupid because you wont engage in the back and forth.
If you don’t see this in yourself, my bringing it up is not going to help. In PenniePan’s “I love Barack” world, she is debating. She is not worth the effort on my part anyway. Back to work for me.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Joshua, you need to learn to read for content instead of making stuff up.
I’m critisizing her content as being disengenuous from the point she says shes trying to make.
Yes, the quote you pulled does nothing but represent and explain from my perspective how she speaks out her butt and I dont care in what style she does it.
I’m not one to be pedantic or bash peoples grammar or worry about unsubstantial crap. If you’ve read my posts as you say you have you’ll know this.
But let me reitrerate that I will not have my intelligence attempt to be insulted by someone telling me they are doing soemthing when its clear that is not the case.
Pennie says she stands in opposition. I disagree that she stands for anything other than lunacy and arguments that really oppose nothing but logic
GOT IT ???
August 13th, 2009 at 11:47 am
You don’t like anyone to disagree with you. Give it a rest. It makes the whole blog shut down and Kate’s inbox fill up.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Oh no no no no Marsha! Butt out!!! I find this all so amusing. I have been a fly on the wall this whole time. I am glad to see I have such an impact here. It’s like being the de-facto leader in some ways.
I love seeing Micky make an ass of himself. He has no self control and can never just stop. Look up “Anger Problem” in the dictionary and you see Micky’s face there. It is hilarious to watch.
Instead, I’ll bring the Fiddle Faddle you bring the Mountain Dew and join me!
August 13th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Unfortunately Micky, the trolls have derailed the topic once again. If Pennie wants to pat herself on the back over some sort of imaginary victory, let her, its all she has.
Knowing that Obamacare is everythign WE say its going to be totally infuriates them. Naturally, their rection is to call people racists or accuse them of hating the poor. Why? Because they cannot argue FOR Obamacare and they know it.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Pennie my comments were not directed to you and were about not adding aggrevation to Kate. The arguments on this blog are ridiculous.
Don’t choke on that Fiddle Faddle, Obamacare and all, and I’ll pass on the invite. I am picky about the the company I keep, unlike “Barack”.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
“It’s STILL a free country” right? Now be quiet Ken.
Pennie - the contradictions you can fit into 2 sentences is quite amazing.
I have been a fly on the wall this whole time. I am glad to see I have such an impact here. It’s like being the de-facto leader in some ways.
Don’t kid yourself. You are just a foil for some sport.
August 14th, 2009 at 12:27 am
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August 14th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Marsha, butt out.
When people say sh*t about me thats either wrong or not true I put up a fight.
Whats your problem where you persistently feel its your obligation to always step in a defend the thread or be the keeper of Kates in box ?
Dont worry about it, Kates in charge and I know for a fact that if was doing anything wrong she would tell me. Go make yourself of importance on someone elses issues besides mine.
Pennie.
You like to pretend that your making some great opposition to us even though you dont debate,
Your level of opposition is equivalent to a blind lemming with a can of spray paint trying to tag a message on a wall.
In driving home how utterly useless your comments are (and the rest of the lemmings) its pretty clear that you guys are sooo on the losing end of this issue that you’d love for more than anything to speak of anything else but the topic.
So, you either say stupid stuff or tell people to be quiet.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Marsha, Josh.
Sorry, things are weird on my end lately, hope I didnt take it out on you.
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